Building a new machine

Bright Red Nipples · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:37 pm Post subject: Building a new machine

I'm looking for some info on some components. This is what I am looking for.

I have a budget of about $1,000 US. I need a MB, Processor, Tower with power supply, RAM, and sound card. I already have the monitor, vid card, keyboard/mouse, and headset.

*edit* I forgot to mention I already have the hard drives too. Unless it takes something out of the ordinary

I know of some places to look at but I don't know exactly what is good for equipment. Any advice will help.
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YourPowersAreWeakOldMan · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:52 pm Post subject:

Check out this link to see one I threw together. The motherboard that I wanted to put on it wasn't in stock (because of it's awesomeness it's sold out fast all the time) But I added it in this post along with the final price.

----> http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishList.asp?position=current&submit=view <------ (if you can't bring that page up tell me and I will post them individually)

ASUS SiS 655FX Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU, Model "P4S800D" -RETAIL

Supported CPU: Intel Pentium 4(Hyper-Threading)/Celeron Processors
Chipset: SiS 655FX + SiS 964
FSB: 800/533/400MHz
RAM: 4x DIMM support DDR400/333/266/200 Max 4GB
IDE: 2x UltraDMA 133/100/66 up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 8X, 5x PCI, 1x ASUS Proprietary WiFi Slot
Ports: 2xPS2,1xCOM,1xLPT,SPDIF Out,1xLAN,8xUSB2.0(Rear 4),Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: AD1980 6-Channel Codec
Onboard LAN: Realtek 10/100Mbps Fast Ethernet
Onbaord SATA/RAID: 2x Serial ATA, RAID 0/1
Form Factor: ATX

$79.99

Also for an alternative case with side door fan. I had to go with Pimpin Purple

http://store.yahoo.com/directron/dx01pld.html

Total Price $978.98

I can guarantee alot of these parts because I have worked with all of these parts I've put together in this system which is why I chose these. I know them all to be good brands and companies who's parts don't screw up, and if they do their support is above and beyond most everything else.
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I like the it but I prefer motherboards that run the intel chipset, not a SiS. I have had problems with the SiS chipset.

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Albino Gibbon · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:42 pm Post subject:

AMD XP 3200 BOX 400 MHZ FSB $239.00
ASUS A7N8X DELUXE SOCK-A NFORCE DELUXE CHIPSET $125.00
BLACK ATX MID TOWER 430W/ WITH TEMP IND $43.00
2x 512MB DDR400 X 2 GAMER CAS2 = 1 GIG $470.00
WD WD1200JB 8MB 120GB HARD DRIVE $104.00
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$981.00

Motherboard specs:

With an array of advanced technology, the A7N8X provides a revolutionary audio/video experience. AGP Pro/8X, doubling the bandwidth of AGP 4X, provides cutting-edge graphics performance while Dolby® digital 6-channel support brings incredible sound quality. Onboard 1394/USB 2.0 interfaces further enable smooth audio/video data transfer between DV/MP3 players and systems. In addition, Dual-Channel DDR400 and Serial ATA technology significantly enhance overall system performance, while a dual LAN design and Windows' native Internet connection streamline your networking platform.

AGP 8X Technology

AGP8X (AGP 3.0) is the next generation VGA interface specification that enables enhanced graphics performance with high bandwidth speeds up to 2.12GB/s and twice as fast as AGP4X.

SoundStorm™ / Dolby® Digital Audio (Deluxe Model)

Experience the full power of surround sound audio with the NVIDIA® SoundStorm™. With the integrated APU (Audio Processing Unit) you will feel the impact in games or music. And with the only Dolby® Digital 5.1 encoder you can hear it all in amazing digital cinema clarity on your home theater receiver or digital PC speaker system.

Dual-Channel DDR400 Support

The 128-bit TwinBank DDR Memory architecture doubles the DDR 400 (PC3200) bandwidth. System bottlenecks are eliminated with balanced architecture and peak bandwidth up to 6.4GB/s.

Serial ATA Technology (Deluxe Model)

Serial ATA is the next generation ATA specification that provides scalable performance for today and tomorrow. With up to 150MB/s data transfer rate, Serial ATA is faster than current Parallel ATA, while providing 100% software compatibility.

Dual LAN (optional)

Integrated 3Com® and NVIDIA® LAN controllers lets users access broadband via one LAN port and share the Internet connection with network neighborhood via the other LAN port. ( 3Com LAN is for Deluxe Model Only)

ASUS C.O.P (CPU Overheating Protection)

ASUS C.O.P (CPU Overheating Protection) is a hardware protection circuit that automatically shuts down the system power before temperatures go high enough to permanently damage your CPU.

6-Channel Audio

The A7N8X uses an onboard Realtek® ALC650 audio CODEC that lets you enjoy high-quality 6-channel audio without having to buy advanced sound cards.

IEEE 1394 (Deluxe Model)

IEEE 1394 interface provides high speed digital interface for audio / video appliances such as digital television, digital video camcorders, storage peripherals & other PC portable devices.

6 USB 2.0 Ports

USB 2.0 is the latest connectivity standard for next generation components and peripherals. Backward compatible with current USB 1.1 peripherals, USB 2.0 delivers transfer speeds up to 40 times faster at 480MB/s, for easy connectivity and ultra-fast data transfers.

ASUS Q-Fan Technology

Constant, high-pitched noise generated from heatsink fans are a thing of the past thanks to ASUS Q-Fan™. The ASUS A7N8X with Q-Fan™ technology intelligently adjusts fan speeds according to system loading to ensure quiet, cool and efficient operation.

Can get it all local. No tax. No shipping.
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Bright Red Nipples · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:35 pm Post subject:

Oopsy, I forgot to mention that I already have the hard drive too. Unless it takes some diff kind of hard drive.

YPAWOM, does the case have a power supply or is that optional?? And the first link said empty wish list. I do like that case though, kinda cool.

I'm gonna have to give you a call AG. I didn't even think of talking to the resident techy

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Darkath · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:42 pm Post subject:

Simpleman · Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:29 am Post subject:

Hey BRN do you think they will give us a dicount if we buy in bulk

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Bright Red Nipples · Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:46 am Post subject:

YourPowersAreWeakOldMan · Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:02 am Post subject:

CASE $65.00

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=11-125-221&depa=0
Chieftec Dragon Servers Series Black Aluminum Workstation Tower Case without Power Supply,Model:AX-01BD U2F SF,OEM.
Specification:
Case Type: Workstation Tower
Color: Black
Material: Aluminum
Drive Bays: 5.25'' x4,3.5''(External) x2, 3.5''(Internal) x4
Expansion Slot: 7
Front Ports: USB2.0 x2,IEEE1394 x1
Power Supply: N/A
Cooling System: 2 Rear Mounted fans and 1 Side Panel fan
Motherboard Compatibility: ATX
Dimensions: 473x205x522mm

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POWER SUPPLY $148.99

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-442&depa=0
ENERMAX EG651P-VE(FMA). 550W Power supply(with Copper Shielding for better EMI reduction) for AMD K7 & Pentium4
Specifications:
Type: ATX
Maximum Power: 550W
PFC: No
Power Good Signal: 100-500ms
Hold-up Time: 17ms min. at 230V AC full load
Efficiency: 70% min.
Over Voltage Protection: +3.3V:3.7V-4.5V; +5V:5.6-6.9V, +5VSB:5.6-6.9V
Overload Protection: 105%~140%
Input Voltage: Select 90V~135V AC or 180V~265V AC
Input Frequency Range: 47-63 Hz
Input Current: 13A/8A
Output: +3.3V@36A;+5V@36A;-5V@1A;+12V@36A;-12V@1A;+5VSB@2.2A
MTBF: 100K hours at 25ºC
Approvals: UL, cUL, VDE, DEMKO, NEMKO, SEMKO, FIMKO

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PROCESSOR $425.00

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-168&depa=0
Intel Pentium 4/ 3.4C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K L2 Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - Retail
Specification
Model: Intel Pentium 4 3.4C w/ Hyper Threading
Core: Northwood
Operating Frequency: 3.4GHz
FSB: 800MHz
Cache: L1/12K+8K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.525V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket 478
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2
Warranty: 3-year MFG
Packaging: Retail box (with Heatsink and Fan)

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MEMORY 2 x 512 @ $86 = $172 for 1GB

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-141-424&depa=0
Kingston 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 - Retail
Specification
Manufacturer: Kingston
Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 3-3-3
Support Voltage: 2.6V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Organization: 64M x 64 -Bit
Warranty: Lifetime

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MOTHERBOARD $79.99

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-477&catalog=280&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1
ASUS SiS 655FX Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU, Model "P4S800D" -RETAIL

Supported CPU: Intel Pentium 4(Hyper-Threading)/Celeron Processors
Chipset: SiS 655FX + SiS 964
FSB: 800/533/400MHz
RAM: 4x DIMM support DDR400/333/266/200 Max 4GB
IDE: 2x UltraDMA 133/100/66 up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 8X, 5x PCI, 1x ASUS Proprietary WiFi Slot
Ports: 2xPS2,1xCOM,1xLPT,SPDIF Out,1xLAN,8xUSB2.0(Rear 4),Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: AD1980 6-Channel Codec
Onboard LAN: Realtek 10/100Mbps Fast Ethernet
Onbaord SATA/RAID: 2x Serial ATA, RAID 0/1
Form Factor: ATX

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TOTAL $810.99

No the cases didn't come with power supplies, but I included one, and the ones that are bundled with the case aren't that great. I prefer to buy an empty case and add the power supply I want.

SiS sucks? Lets not throw opinions around when trying to neutrally help someone out and pick them the best parts based on experiance using them and hours talking to techs and reading reviews, instead of "Oh, that sucks". You can go for the one Darkath suggested too though, I just suggested the $74 to save you a bit of money, but the one he suggested is good, and if you don't mind paying that bit more I'd say go for it.

This is the second configuration, I took off the expensive Audigy 2 soundcard since the Motherboard has onboard sound and network. So it's at $810 for this system that looks the best so far.
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Albino Gibbon · Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:57 am Post subject:

2X 512MB DDR400 $178.00
AMD XP 3200 BOX 400 MHZ FSB $239.00
ASUS A7N8X DELUXE SOCK-A NFORCE DELUXE CHIPSET $125.00
BLACK ATX MID TOWER 430W/ WITH TEMP IND $43.00
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$585.00

The memory I first quoted was some top notch stuff. CAS 2, overclock to the hilt RAM. You can scale that down a bit to save some quiddage, so I requoted. With the board I listed, you definately want to dual bank it. Makes the system much more efficient. 2 512 chips > 1 1 gig chip in perormance. AMD or INTEL is up to you. I put down AMD because it has more performance per dollar amount. Blah, blah, blah.....runs hotter, blah, blah. I also can get INTEL cpu's if needed though. Why spend almost twice as much for something that isn't near twice as powerful? If you can find a Barton core 2500 that is unlocked, you can achieve the 3200 speed for around $90.00 for the cpu, with a little overclocking of course. If you can only find a locked one, you can still up the FSB quite a bit to hit the 3200 speeds anyways. Just make sure you have good RAM if you want to do this.I think the Nforce board I am talking about has a locked AGP bus, so you can overclock and not it affect your videos bus speed, which will make it stable as heck, even in an overclock condition. That is cool stuff. With a 2500 Barton it drops the system down to $495.00. Not too shabby.

By the way, this drive would rock in the system. Expensive for the size, but almost as fast, if not as fast as a SCSI drive. Runs EXTREMELY hot though.

WD WD360GD 36GB RAPTOR 10K SERIAL ATA $136.00

Talk to Silverone or Merf about water cooling your system though. Heh
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FragFailure · Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:34 am Post subject:

How about this one

Pentium III 500
FSB 100
392 of assorted P.100 and P.133 memory
Some old Accubyte POS case
Power Supply: old (200)
Fans: none (an open case)

same setup since January 1999

PS: The next time I go 62-15 on you. Remember my awful system.
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Simpleman · Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:26 pm Post subject:

AMD K62 300
128 pc133
vodoo 2000
3 gig HD

This is what I played on for the longest time so I feel ya Frag.
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Bright Red Nipples · Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:02 pm Post subject:

This is what I am looking at so far. All advice is still helpful.

Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-450&depa=1

Processor
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-156&catalog=343&depa=0

Rom
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-136-024&catalog=5&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1

I still looking for a tower though. I have a few that I am interested in but haven't decided yet. Next item will be RAM but I haven't looked to hard yet. I will be looking closer at the ones that have been posted here.
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Clay Pigeon · Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 7:20 pm Post subject:

Bright Red Nipples · Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:32 am Post subject:

I was originally looking at the AMD fx51 but price became an issue. I feel that buying something less than that one is not worth it to me. I will never be overclocking anything so that is of no concern. I am just looking for something tremendously reliable that will run well. I have had good luck with the Pentiums so I am leaning that way.

The thing that I don't know is specifics. I had a great talk with JD today and he gave me some helpful tips when looking for parts. An example would be when looking be sure to look at "retail" and not "oe" versions. This is stuff I had no idea about.

One question I did have though was is it worth the money to consider water cooling?? Is it any better for what I will using my machine for??
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