Continuation of Neo-TF debate (from JD tips)

CyC0Dad · Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2001 11:28 pm Post subject:

I still say you sound like my Granny

she always said the MicroWave would never replace the oven. She was right, but how many people do you know that DON'T have a microwave ?

I wouldn't want it on all the ville servers, but I'd miss it if it wasn't on any of them.

John Doe · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2001 12:12 am Post subject:

Geez, I just read my post from earlier.

I must have been cut off by the missus to be that grumpy....Wait a sec, there is no missus, no wonder I am so grumpy!

I think I agree with most players posts, NTF is fun, NTF is hard, NTF is too strong, NTF changes the game, NTF requires team work, etc, etc, etc.

I like it, and if you have noticed I seldom play on TV1, but spend most of my time on TV 2 - 5.

Ok, now I am rambling, I must need some sleep too.

I really like the bug zapper, I could sit and watch it all day. Now if there was just some way that we could get our PCs to spew out the smell of a crispy fried bug after a Telsa goes off it would be just like a big zapper.

I might add that 42.32% of the 475 people that have voted in the poll want us to not change a thing. 2nd place with 26.53 % is to have it on fewer servers.

Sounds to me like the players have spoken.

JD

Twisted29 · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2001 12:27 am Post subject:

Indeed, the people have spoken.
42% Like it
but that means..58% don't

Greebo · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2001 1:16 am Post subject:

I don't particularly care what the poll says - besides it say 477 people voted on that - 323 people are registered on the forums - I'd say less than 200 visit the page regularly.
Anyhoo
I still hate the mod in it's current form.

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FragFailure · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2001 1:49 am Post subject:

I agree with Bakuryu's assesment of the situation for the most part. It takes no /skill to be able to kill someone five ways.

Really consider the /skill it takes to play spy successfully. Can you prime a grenade and switch to shotgun at the same time? Can you sell the fact that you are on the enemy team? Can you avoid the HW spraying bullets at you? Being a spy is an artform and ver few can master it. Myself, Silver, Mike Rotch, Bakuryu, and Jac (wont butcher the rest of his name) have this class down to a science and it's now ruined because people don't want to spy check like they should. This mod is wrong in it's form in my opinion. All it takes is one stupid tesla and you are toast no matter how good you are.

Also consider this is a public server. Teamwork doesn't happen as much here. Every SINGLE time I've played a map on the mod it's been defensive dominance. Wow sounds like a soccer/football match of 0-0 with a shootout to me. Why even WASTE my time of bothering to attack when some moron uses the "1 airstrike per minute" to kill a scout shooting his shotgun at him. WOOHOOO!

How long does it take to make a full mg? 2 seconds. There's no upgrade like a SG. Build, touch, full power. What freakin skill does that take? ZERO! I will avoid this mod at all costs in it's current form. If I do play the mod. I'll play it like most other pansies play it for /skill to prove a point. Either as a sniper or an engy.

Anyone wonder why that 5 spots on a team got to 3 engies and 2 snipers? Anyone wonder why Svvord ONLY plays on the NTF servers and is "untouchable"? Svvord was 40-0 and doing NOTHING impressive. You people want to talk about /skill. Note: On Public server teamwork rarely happens on both teams. On every single NTF match I've been on. One team dominates on defense and the other gives up. How much fun is that?

For you people who can't play "proper" defense it's great. Proper defense? How about shooting the player who looks out of place and running at you. How about saving that one emp for that spy attempting to take out your SG like I do. With the NTF mod for less than $19.99 you can have a nice tesla coil do all the work for you and think you are skilled and it's "fun."

SilverOne says he can't get to Svvord wth the mod on. You wanna make the POTW the Svvord memorial award and honor him every week. Go right ahead..the award itself is cheaper than it ever was in the past. It literraly makes me retch to see any stats at this point. Some unskilled idiot is gonna go bragging how great they are due to this mod. Any reason why this mod wouldn't fly in OGL? Because the mod sucks!

The award of POTW itself meant sort of something at one time when Mike Rotch and SuperZero each did a three peat. Silver won it twice and it meant something. Even I won it once and it sorta meant something. Now you have guys like Svvord who can 19 peat and it don't mean jack to me or to most of the old school origionals. The stats were unbalanced before and now with the mod are a complete joke.

It's easy to play those classes with the mod, that's why! Thank god I have a reserved spot for The Ville 1.

I'm pissed off about this mod, tired and drunk. I'm going to sleep. Good night.

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Greebo · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2001 2:40 am Post subject:

*raises a glass to fragfailure*
nice rant!

Can't be that drunk though - your typing is faaaaar too coherent

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Bada Bing · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2001 3:26 am Post subject:

NeoTf can be too easily dominated on defense.3 engies max on neo servers would be a great idea.Avanti has turned shitty with neo but is livable on other maps to some extent.No mention of Bada JR. as master spy

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CyC0Dad · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2001 10:03 am Post subject:

Personally I'm getting more tired of the topic than than you are of the mod. You rant and you ramble and discuss "OLD SCHOOL" and stats that have meaning ?? I'm sorry Frag but the stats never really had meaning, The best the stats do for you is help track some personal goals. How can personal stats have much meaning in a team game ?

The only reason the MGs seem so powerfull is because players like yourself refuse to change and adapt. You say you had spy down to a science, doesn't that even seem the least bit boring to you ?? Of course your science was "Run past newbs, toss nades at defensless SGs and then start stabbing everyone in site until it is time to run for health." . Personally I was getting sick and tired of games where spies just run around stabbing people without even bothering to disguise themselves. Science ?? No, just an overpowered abused class in TFC. No offense to all you spies out there but jumping off the balcony disguised as an NME snipe doesn't sound like a science to me. How often do you see spies really work to infiltrate the NME ??

BoooHoooHoo Frag can't own anymore....
BoooHooHooo Defense gets a break....
BooHoooHooo Team play is more important
BooHoooHooo Spies are suddenly worthless

Frag if team play was sooo bad on the ville how do the MGs get upgraded. You can't have a tesla coil up in seconds without the help of a spy or scout. The defense requires teamplay almost as much as the offense does.
"Old School" Team play meant hitting a fellow engies SG or healing as medic. There is a whole new level of team play that is just now being explored with the neotf mod.

I'm really sorry you don't like the mod, it is a great change of pace. I know I will never convince you that NEOTF isn't the ant-TFC since some of you appear EXTREMELY close minded. Please do everyone a favor and stay off the neotf servers, nothing worse than whiny wet blankets when you are trying to have fun

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I will agree though that there seems to be enough of you that there should be at least 2 servers that don't have the mod. That is by the way how I voted, to lessen the number of NeoTF servers.

Also, don't even give me grief if I decicde to play on an "Old School" server. I've never said this mod should replace the standard game, just that change is good every so often. For now I have a lot more fun on a neotf server and that IS why I PLAY the game. Later All....

FragFailure · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2001 10:46 am Post subject:

Aha!

You answered exactly to what I thought. You hate spies and this is your way of "leveling" the field. The fact is that I could sneak around and hit you with that blind, primed grenade and now you are safe.

If you hate spies this is the mod for you. If you think I'm crying go ahead. I'm debating as far as I am concerned. Dad, yes there is a science to the madness of being a good spy. Disguising, Grenade jumping, Priming grenades, taking out sg's, and even stabbing the sniper named Cycodad who isn't paying attention to me at all

In my expereienceon the mod servers. The offensive teamwork is complete piss and they give up and try to defend command 2. The defensive teamwork I find is great.
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Demented Avenger · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2001 6:02 pm Post subject:

DA's turn to grab the popcorn, kick his feet up and enjoy the show.

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Sully · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2001 6:31 pm Post subject:

Time to weigh in...

NEO SUCKS! I do not like it Sam-I-Am.

I totally agree with Frag's statement, and Greebo's observations also. I wish that 1 & 2 were both clear of the cancer that is Neo.

It's kind of like the St. Louis Rams offense. (Stay with me, here.) A lot of people think that the Rams are very exciting to watch, but it's just not the football that I grew up with, ya know?

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Maian · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2001 6:59 pm Post subject:

Sully, you forget, the guy from green eggs and ham gave in at the end. Anyway, if any of you have played a game of warpath with NTF, you know that it becomes a standstill, or an absolute slaughter. Also, do you realize, the NTF makes the scout obsolete as well? The whole point of being a scout is your ability to outrun anyone else, and cap for your team. However, you cannot outrun a telsa. And just think about it: You have been lucky enough to make it to cp1/5, and you are seconds away from a cap, but you see a tesla in the cage at the cp. What do you do? There is no way in hell that you can destroy it, cause you have no grenades. And if you try to shoot it down, youll be killed by the nme befor you get a chance. Its like being caught at the finish-line of a race by an inevitable bear trap.

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CyC0Dad · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2001 7:16 pm Post subject:

I wasn't going to reply anymore but this is getting rediculous...Scout obsolete now ?? Scout gets played a little more since he has the airstrike. Tesla in the cage? Home free. scout can cap before zapper reaches discharge level. Of course hesitate because it is different and you in respawn heaven...

Look guys. don't play on NeoTF servers, no big deal., but don't keep trying to validate why you don't want to play on them. Just admit you don't like change and be done with it.

Sorry to hear that you are all such "loosers" that you can't figure out how to deal with something new. I will play on the neotf servers for now and if I miss playing with you guys, I know where to find you....same place doing the same thing...

(Last paragraph is pure smack talk, no actual offense intended. Any resemblance between people mentioned and evolutionary advancement is purely accidental)

In all honesty I don't see the effects you guys keep talking about, standstills etc just aren't happening when Mom and I play. Spys and scouts abound, server is full and life is good. Have fun on TV1...

Greebo · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2001 7:44 pm Post subject:

CyC0Dad · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2001 9:44 pm Post subject:

I've played on TV1 where the defense held the entire map. 3 GOOD Engys with support could hold cap 3 without MGs against a loose band of lemmings. Doesn't prove anything to me. Glad to see you gave it another try, maybe you aren't as close minded as you let on. Sorry the results were the same for you.

Just to set the record straight, I don't hate spies. I've played spy and CyCoMom is usually a spy. I do find it aggrevating that the spy has more health and armor than an engy which makes it very hard for an engy to protect his SG. I also hate seeing people who don't bother even disguising themselves and just run around stabbing, taking advantage of a low ping and or a fast graphics card. It isn't easy getting the stab down, it takes a good deal of skill to be a good spy. CyCoMom manages to sneak past defenses sometimes while I and our teammates are taking down the MGs and distracting the troops. I'm sure you and Frag could do the same if you felt like it and were willing to depend on fellow teammates.

I think the real difference is I don't like being a lone renagade in this game, I prefer cooperation and the TEAM aspect. While some of the people with the opposite view really prefer being a loner who does what he thinks is best. You don't like depending on someone to get a job accomplished. If you can't do it on your own, then you don't bother doing it. Your contribution is to help the team cap, but it isn't a coordinated team action. You do your job as you see it.

A simple example is when I engy, if someone has a SG started I help get it to level 3 before I start mine. Have you ever done that ?? When I see a scout on his way to the cap, I get in front to draw fire if I can. As a medic in NME territory, I heal my teammates first before attempting to infect the NME. I could go on but I think I made my point. Different Mods for Different folks.