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Would you try ONE league style server?
Yes, r0x0r
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No, sux0r
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 1:03 am    Post subject: POLL: Trying out one server to play league style Reply with quote

If (TV5 for example) was changed into a password Ville server for league style. Would you try it out? I mentioned TV5 because it is almost always empty.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

league style could be interesting to try, but not to be in a league or anything liek that, i don't so leagues, neither does usv of jFf, but since its ville, heck why not? i'm prety sure it'd be good by the rules.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that's what it will take to quell the complaints on all the other servers about not playing by league rules, I am all for it. I certainly won't be joining any games on that server and complaining about league rules.

What would it do to TheVille? There is no telling. It's already gone from the fun ole days of Turkeyburgerville to SkillVille. Whatever it takes to get the Turkeyburgerville fun days of just fraggin back on the regular servers, I will support it.


I can't in my right mind vote to bring competition into TheVille mainstream more than it already is, so I can't vote yes. But if it becomes a reality, more power to it.

That's a HUGE step for TheVille to take. Talk about having two worlds under one roof.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im up for this potential new server:

Positives-
1) It should quell all the fighting for now
2) It could provide a unique experience for those not accustomed to league rules
3) Diversity in TheVille

But how would you enforce league rules in the server? You can't really have an admin 24/7. But I can still forsee a whole lotta bannings/kicks from TV5 now...

Negatives-
1) Enforcement
2) Potential split in Ville members = this one primarily concerns me, if we did do this there would be a group of people within the Ville who would eventually become hardcore league players - splitting from the rest of TheVille and possibly eventually dividing TheVille into two = one side as league players and the other as non-league
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I certainly won't be joining any games on that server and complaining about league rules.


lol! Good point.

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It's already gone from the fun ole days of Turkeyburgerville to SkillVille.


When I joined TheVille the stats were at their peak. IMO it has improved since then. I wasn't around during the 24/7 Turkeyburger rotation so I can't really comment about that time. I think after years of turkeyburger TheVille would die though.

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1) Enforcement


I don't think this would be a huge problem. There are a handful of leaguers here who would help admin the server

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2) Potential split in Ville members = this one primarily concerns me, if we did do this there would be a group of people within the Ville who would eventually become hardcore league players - splitting from the rest of TheVille and possibly eventually dividing TheVille into two = one side as league players and the other as non-league


That could be the only real problem. A separate forum (like general ramblings for TV5) would probably help a lot if this were to happen.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2) Potential split in Ville members = this one primarily concerns me, if we did do this there would be a group of people within the Ville who would eventually become hardcore league players - splitting from the rest of TheVille and possibly eventually dividing TheVille into two = one side as league players and the other as non-league


You mean this hasn't already happened? All I know is, I never ever heard anyone say anything about league anything until the past couple months here. I think a good part of TheVille has been divided over this for a while.


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When I joined TheVille the stats were at their peak. IMO it has improved since then.

That's true! Rob killed the statwhore virus!

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I think after years of turkeyburger TheVille would die though.

Yeah, the same map. . death. . But it's the idea of just having fun without any other rules other than, hey don't cheat and don't be an @hole. It's what made this site great. I remember the first time I came here I LMAO over and over from what I saw! I mean, in the midst of a heated battle, someone would whip out a crowbar and go to town! Watching people hump the pole on dustbowl! The occasional admin flying through the air. .. hey wait. . no clip!

That's the type of atmosphere I enjoy. No cut throat competition. If you win, you win. If you lose you lose. Not sitting in a game listening to people rattle off, turtling!, chasing!, potshot!, blah blah. It's all way too serious and involved for my taste. Besides, I enjoy fearing for my life when I have the flag! It's scary!

TFC requires TPF.

Leagues require skill.

TheVille requires a sense of humor.

Each require TFC.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would say why not, but i certainly won't join that server. Those rules suck. Like that the game ain't fun anymore.

No chasing?????? So that means if somebody passes you you must let him trough. How in the hell can that be good for your team. Lettingg the enemy pass. It only makes the game easier for the attackers. You could also just play with one team. Like that you won't have anybody who chases you and you will be able to pas trough without any problems.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cobra wrote:
i would say why not, but i certainly won't join that server. Those rules suck. Like that the game ain't fun anymore.

No chasing?????? So that means if somebody passes you you must let him trough. How in the hell can that be good for your team. Lettingg the enemy pass. It only makes the game easier for the attackers. You could also just play with one team. Like that you won't have anybody who chases you and you will be able to pas trough without any problems.

In organised league play, this does happen, but it doesn't suck. On pub servers, it's very difficult to get 20 people to stick to this format, sticking to a task for more than 5 minutes. Sniping, chasing and yard D would all be difficult to control on a pub server, so it's best just to live and let live.

It'd cause further splits in TheVille community, but I still think it'd be a worthy experiment, just for the sake of seeing if it would work. I voted yes, but I don't think it would work. Some people already get their league fix through actual league play, so may wish only to pub and chill out. Plus, if it were to be a passworded server, it's doubtable that enough people permitted to go there would be there frequently enough to generate decent numbers. Plus, more strictness would have to be applied against anyone who does infiltrate the server and play 'incorrectly'.
I may be wrong, you never know. So maybe it's worth a try.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kjeldorian Royal Guard wrote:

You mean this hasn't already happened? All I know is, I never ever heard anyone say anything about league anything until the past couple months here. I think a good part of TheVille has been divided over this for a while.


i hate to say it but, maybe it was tha tvl.. that brought that about.....

my respons to this is

NO NO NO

the ville is a pub server.. with non-league rules.. and has always been that way. i for see somthin like this causing alot of tension and alotta arguments. if you want to -play by league rules every once in a while then i say take it else where and not have all tha bother here. IMO

o and as you probably guessed i voted !!!NO!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is league style for everyone? No. However you cannot deny that there is a decent sized segment of The Ville that enjoys playing maps like 2chemicalv2, Monkey_l, Openfire_l, Mulch_Trench, and FryComplex in league style.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We do not need to password protect TV5 - we just need to change it's name to TV5_LEAGUE.

Then, in the motd we need to add all the customary rules...no chasing, no potshotting, no more than 1 person to a position, no turtling, o vs d if players < 10. After that you just need to have admins ban for a week for the first infraction and rule inforcement wouldn't be a problem at all.

If you need a couple of (additional) admins for the one server only you could easily find them in the competing clans that hang around here.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you do not password it, you should at least have some sort of area Villuns can go to and learn all of these new rules. Otherwise, you will just have problems.

Maps will have to be explained as well as where you can and can't shoot people, etc etc. The entire rulebook (or your rules) would basically have to be laid out for everyone to view here on the site. Or at least a link to such material.

By not passwording it, the Llama factor would be high no doubt. Simply calling it a league server won't keep away the many noobs to that style of play. Look how many join servers titled NEo-TFC and still have no idea what is going on.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds interesting. I voted yes. TV5 is often empty with its current rotation and I think there is enough people at theville who compete in clans to make this work. Make me admin and I'll help too. Oh wait I already am yay.

/edit: I dont understand why there is so many "no" votes atm. TV5 is always empty, and no ones making you go if its turned into a league style server...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kjeldorian Royal Guard wrote:
If you do not password it, you should at least have some sort of area Villuns can go to and learn all of these new rules. Otherwise, you will just have problems.

Maps will have to be explained as well as where you can and can't shoot people, etc etc. The entire rulebook (or your rules) would basically have to be laid out for everyone to view here on the site. Or at least a link to such material.

By not passwording it, the Llama factor would be high no doubt. Simply calling it a league server won't keep away the many noobs to that style of play. Look how many join servers titled NEo-TFC and still have no idea what is going on.


Yeah...but the llama factor goes down really quickly as you have enough good admins.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having a server for league style sounds fine to me. I hit the wrong button earlier and voted no, but I meant yes. TV5 is never used, so it won't hurt anything I believe.

I don't think a one week ban for a first infraction is good...too harsh in my opinion. I am not sure what the current ban length is on the other servers though, and it might be one week.

Having some very clear rules outlined on the website would be great though.
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