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DaKon
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God this post makes me wanna drink. 
And that is IMO.
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Dann0
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Beat you to it DK, allready started
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DaKon
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Damn it. Did you bring any good Tequila from your "work trip" lol.
Good to see you back lol
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| 3 fine bottles of rum from the bacardi factory!!! |
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BigCaulk69
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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the only thing that i think sucks is that the ability to mod your FOV or even pitchdown as demo is being taken away because of a few cheaters that i'm sure the admins could ban easily since it is very few who do cheat like that. i just think that everyone shouldn't lose because of a few people who misuse the ability to mod.
also, if the game wasn't designed to be modded then i don't think the designers would have ever included the ability for the player to be able to mod their controls and setup. i dunno thats my point of view on that.
can any admin tell me if this kind of cheating has really been that big of a problem? by that i mean relative to respawn infecting meds and flag holders and llamas like that. i never really noticed this sort of cheating as a major problem when i did play here a ton and i haven't noticed it lately. |
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My Personal Insanity
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Someone has prolly already posted this, but if you disable FOV changes, aren't you thus taking away the sniper's scope?
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Chen Kenichi
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2002 6:50 am Post subject: |
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The sniper fov zoom is controlled by the special command. It's not a fov script.
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Blown
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2002 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| One question, if it wasnt meant to be modified then why did they make the ability to have soldier.cfg, medic.cfg? If you wernt supposed to modify your configs, then why even have those cfg files? |
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Paddyjack
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2002 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Danno wrote: | I agree with KTULU here. Im sure all of you here do not use FOV to cheat in any way. But remember there are those few cheaters that do, and I am sure most of us admins have seen it in a game. Trust me its not fun when we do have to take steps like this because of all the heat that we get. We are just making the game as fair as possible for all players. I repeat GAME!!!
When everyone stops cheating and trying to abuse the system, all of us admins will personally Take ALL OF THE CHEAT PROTECTION OFF ALL OF THE SERVERS.
Until then steps will have to be taken. |
So if I understand you correctly, we will piss everyone off just because of 1 or 2 potential cheaters (that FYI I never noticed and I'm sure I would own anyway).
I do not support banning the use of FOV command.
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Paddyjack
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2002 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| BigCaulk69 wrote: |
can any admin tell me if this kind of cheating has really been that big of a problem? by that i mean relative to respawn infecting meds and flag holders and llamas like that. i never really noticed this sort of cheating as a major problem when i did play here a ton and i haven't noticed it lately. |
Exactly. I never heard ANY proofs that someone was abusing this and was VERY successful with it. Show me proof that it is really necessary to do this.
Was it ever banned in TFC leagues? I think not. Then let me tell you if it wasn't banned in those leagues, it really means that nobody though it was important. Everything that gave unfair advantages was discussed there.
I understand the admins right to do things to improve gameplay on their servers. However I do not see how the gameplay would be improved by such measures.
Edit: Ok I just got a discussion over a coffee with my friend Nuclei (we are coworkers) over this topic, and somewhat he made me understand the other side's point, and why some use of the FOV command could be abused, even by snipers.
Still, many other functions then should be abolished for the same reasons, as I know some HWguys increase their mouse sensitivities to spin faster when medics attack around them, different greande timers exist, etc.
I think there is too much things that could be changed that way, and I do not think it would make the game more enjoyable. /EDIT
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Lin Sivvi Defiant Hero
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2002 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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cl_updaterate should be locked, because people can abuse that to HH conc easier and shoot faster as a heavy. Also HPB should be banned, because they shoot at unever intervals and can confuse people. While we are at it, we need to only allow opengl, because D3D and software can be used to see through water. We also need to ban hlamp, because it uses getprocessmemory/writeprocessmemory to modify hl (hmm this is accually illegal on TV technicly).
This thread is going no where or haven't you realised? The game does have some bugs but it is unfair to ban some and not others. People will get advantages from different things, certain people are talented at spy (michman), and many people are just really freaken lucky, because of the way their computers are set up. People will also get disadvantages from certain things. It's something that you just have to live with. |
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Hosway[CJP]
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2002 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| blown65 wrote: | | One question, if it wasnt meant to be modified then why did they make the ability to have soldier.cfg, medic.cfg? If you wernt supposed to modify your configs, then why even have those cfg files? |
Good question, I think we must bring our discussion to the creators of Team Fortress 1.5...mr. wats his face.. Erik i think?
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Mongoose_Slayer
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2002 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| kamikaze wrote: | | and someone finally points out that it, in fact, cannot be used as a cheat. the scale of pros and cons of (trying to) using the fov cheat weighs heavily on the con side. think about it, you may switch it to engage one enemy, totally losing all peripheral vision and be stomped by another enemy. |
True, I don't see how this can be considered a cheat. If someone can actually play with a fov of like five or ten, then they are one very good player! |
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deadprez
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2002 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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The only weapon that even gets an advantage from an increased fov is the sniper rifle and ar.
Most weapons aren't good at all with distance.
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