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 Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2002 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Everyone has responded on the IDE and Compound, so I will on the motherboard.
The ASUS A7V333 is a very good board from what I have read everywhere, but from looking at things, you don't need the RAID version of it. You can get it without RAID for about $25 or so less, and that is something you might want to look at.
That is the board I am planning to buy in the very near future, but I will be getting a 2000+ chip on it instead. 
I would also get one of the ATA 133 Maxtor drives, as this board can run at that speed for the hard drive.
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| The Avenger wrote: |
CD drive: LG 32/10/40 16 X DVD
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32/10/40 16x DVD means 32x cd write, 10x cd re-write, 40x cd read, and 16x dvd read, you illiterate communist!
Heh 3 cd drives in 1 not bad eh? |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2002 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| The Avenger wrote: | | The Avenger wrote: |
CD drive: LG 32/10/40 16 X DVD
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32/10/40 16x DVD means 32x cd write, 10x cd re-write, 40x cd read, and 16x dvd read, you illiterate communist!
Heh 3 cd drives in 1 not bad eh? |
Oh. I thought those were measurements, like for a woman. With a really skinny waist and big hips. My CD burner is even skinnier than that. It's downright embryonic. |
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thewz
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| Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2002 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Whatever, do you know what's the difference between the raid and the non-raid motherboard?
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I don't know much about raid, but I do know that is mainly used for servers. You use it when you have more than one hard drive normally, and it allows you to spread your data over both drives. That way, you can have a nice backup in case one drive were to die.
It definitely works best on servers.
If you are planning to put on more than 4 IDE devices, then you will need it, as it does allow you to put on more IDE devices. I think this motherboard will allow up to 8 devices with RAID.
I am not planning on getting that server, and will use that savings to get a better processor.
I am sure there are others out there who know RAID better than I do, so feel free to explain it better than me!
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| Whatever wrote: | | I am sure there are others out there who know RAID better than I do, so feel free to explain it better than me! |
RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks) is the the low cost answer to internally redundant storage systems built for mainframes. Mainframe storage is internally fault tolerant and error-correcting, while in the PC world, storage is not. In short, it's meant to keep your data intact in the event you lose a disk. There are several RAID levels, each of which implements the redundancy in a different manner.
RAID 0: Data is duplicated on multiple disks, aka "mirroring". This is probably what a PC user with a RAID supporting disk controller would use. This is the fastest kind of RAID, but the most expensive - you need two times the disk capacity you want.
RAID 1: Data is "striped" across multiple disks in parallel. If you saved a 1 Gig file to a RAID 1 array of 5 disks, 200 Mb would be written to each disk. Note, there is no redundancy to RAID 1 - if you lose a disk, you lost that fraction of your data. With multiple busses to your disks, RAID 1 allows for blazingly fast disk speeds.
RAID levels 2 and 3 are rarely used so I won't talk about them.
RAID 4: Uses striping like RAID 1, except an additional disk is dedicated to store "parity" data. The parity data is a checksum bit which allows the data to be reconstructed in the event of failure of one of the data disks.
RAID 5: Like RAID 4 in that parity data is stored to allow for data integrity checking and recovery, except that the parity bits are interleaved with the data disks, so I/O bottlenecks do not occur from the dedicated parity disk.
RAID 1+0 (aka RAID 10): Combines RAID levels 0 and 1 to stripe and mirror data for speed and redundancy.
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Hmm then I'll stick with the non-raid motherboard. Now I just have to get my dad to agree to pay $2000 for a computer. Or I can get a job...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA JOB!!! I think i'll stick with begging for money. (or selling crack )
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I hope you are spending canadian money cause you should be able to find that alot cheaper nowadays. With what your getting your heatsink is important especially if you PC is in a hot area, get extra fans.
P.S. I will hook it up for half of what your paying someone. Thats half the fun... |
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Yes I'm paying in Canadian
And if you want to to drive all the way to montreal to set up my computer for 20 bucks, feel free to |
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| Thom Yorke Obliterator wrote: | No CD burner?? You must be some kind of COMMIE. 
(PS - Warhammer, which pronunciation do you prefer for SCSI? The traditional "scuzzy", or the more sophisticated Left-Coastish "sexy"?) |
Ive only ever heard to it refered to as "scuzzy", the sexy thing is new to me, but then again I dont know Schi........
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| Warhammer -TPF- wrote: |
RAID 0: Data is duplicated on multiple disks, aka "mirroring". This is probably what a PC user with a RAID supporting disk controller would use. This is the fastest kind of RAID, but the most expensive - you need two times the disk capacity you want.
RAID 1: Data is "striped" across multiple disks in parallel. If you saved a 1 Gig file to a RAID 1 array of 5 disks, 200 Mb would be written to each disk. Note, there is no redundancy to RAID 1 - if you lose a disk, you lost that fraction of your data. With multiple busses to your disks, RAID 1 allows for blazingly fast disk speeds. |
First a couple of minor corrections:
RAID 0: is the so called striping (NOT mirroring) and requires at least 2 drives, but is indeed the fastest kind of RAID.
RAID 1: is the mirroring type (NOT striping), but you get 1/2 of the total drive space (i.e. two 20G drives mirrored gives 20G of storage). Essentially it makes a redundant copy of your data on a second (preferably physically idential) disk. This system is great for data safety.
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I believe that if you lose a Raid 0 disk in a striped set you lose the whole volume. The purpose of Raid 0 is SPEED SPEED SPEED! Caveat -- it is the most susceptible to failure, since the MTBF is the smallest MTBF of all of the drives used. Now you don't lose the physical drives except the failed one, but it must be completely RAID reformatted.
If you stripe, it allows both drives to simultaneously seek different data. The bus is much faster than the mechanical seek of the drive, so that one drive can be writing its block of data to the bus while the other is seeking the next block of data and then they swap roles.
With a single drive it must wait for the head to move to the next piece of data, read it, write it to the bus, move the head to the next block, etcetera....)
It really is pretty cool, but unless you are using very large files all the time (like huge databases) then the disk caching system will do the job very nicely for most users.
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Oops. Well it was late, and I never use RAID 0 or 1.  Hardware RAID 5 all the way!
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I’m almost finished my upgrading, this weekend I’ll be getting a brand new 60 Gigabyte 7200 rpm Maxtor HD, and sometime within the next couple weeks I’ll get a new motherboard + an AMD Duron 1300. Although my upgraded computer isn’t quite Godly, it’s the best that $600 can buy.
But I did not bring this post back up to the top to brag about my insanely small bank account, nor to brag about my less than stellar computer. I have some more questions for you computer bitc- er…experts .
1. I don’t feel like paying someone to install my hard drive, since I’ve already depleted a good portion of my money. So means that I’m the one who will be installing the hard drive. I’m not completely new to the insides of my computer, since I have already installed ram, sound cards, 3d accelerators and so on, but I’ve never installed a hard drive, and it seems like a complex task. Is there anything I should know before I install the drive? Could I damage any of my hardware if I wire it up incorrectly?
2. Is there a maximum number of drives that a motherboard can handle? If so does it vary from board to board? (currently I have 1 HD, 1 floppy and 2 cd drives)
3. And finally, I’m planning on reformatting my old 13.6 Gig hard drive and using it as my C drive, where I will install windows, office, and all my other applications, and my other drive will be solely for my games. Is there anything special I have to do before I reformat? (other than backing up my files) or is it as simple as reformatting and re-installing everything? And do I have to do anything special after I reformat, like setting up Bios (not sure what that is) settings? Or any other crazy crap that doesn’t include an install wizard?
Thanks for all the help!
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| The Avenger wrote: | | Is there anything I should know before I install the drive? Could I damage any of my hardware if I wire it up incorrectly? |
IDE drives are fairly easy to install. Basically the key with IDE is to make sure one drive is the Master and one is the Slave. When your drives are visible to your operating system, the partitions will become drives and will be in order by bus, master/slave status, and partition. So by default the primary IDE bus, master drive, primary partition will be the C drive, the primary IDE, master, (any other partitions) will be D, etc., then the primary IDE, slave drive's partitions, then the secondary IDE master drive's partitions, then the secondary IDE slave drive's partitons.
Setting a drive's master/slave status involves some jumpers on the drive and which spot on the IDE ribbon cable it's plugged into. If the jumpers are in the default "CS" (aka Cable Select) position, then the spot on the ribbon cable (usually there are only 2 plugs) determines which is the master and which is the slave. Otherwise, you can explicitly set the jumpers of each drive to specify whether it should be the master or slave. Look at your drive to see what position the jumper should be in.
Once you set the jumper, attach the IDE ribbon cable, and connect the power plug. Next you'll need to boot up your system. If it beeps funny, or doesn't boot, or otherwise is broken, don't worry, you just got the master/slave jumpers or cabling wrong. Once that's working, go into the BIOS and detect your new drives if they aren't automagically detected. How you do this depends on your computer. Once that's done, you should be able to run FDISK and create some partitions, then reboot and format them. Voila, more disk space!
| The Avenger wrote: | | 2. Is there a maximum number of drives that a motherboard can handle? If so does it vary from board to board? (currently I have 1 HD, 1 floppy and 2 cd drives) |
I've only ever seen a max of 2 devices per IDE bus, one master and one slave. Your floppy disk(s) (and sometimes internal Zip disks) run off a separate floppy drive controller ribbon and are not IDE devices. Check how it's cabled up to be sure. Most modern motherboards give you two IDE busses, each of which can support two devices.
| The Avenger wrote: | 3. And finally, I’m planning on reformatting my old 13.6 Gig hard drive and using it as my C drive, where I will install windows, office, and all my other applications, and my other drive will be solely for my games. Is there anything special I have to do before I reformat? (other than backing up my files) or is it as simple as reformatting and re-installing everything? And do I have to do anything special after I reformat, like setting up Bios (not sure what that is) settings? Or any other crazy crap that doesn’t include an install wizard?
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As long as you have an original install CD, this should be fairly painless. There are a couple different ways to do it, offhand I'm not sure if you can just boot your Windows install CD from the CD drive and wipe your current system clean - you may need to boot from a DOS disk and format your drives first. But for just reinstalling your OS and apps, you shouldn't need to change anything like BIOS settings. Just make sure you have a full windows/office install CD and not the "recovery CD".
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