Open Letter to all Villuns

5th GHG E.G. Mine · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 12:40 pm Post subject:

This raises a question. If we have set game server rules, should we have set forum rules as well?

BitterBeerFace · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 1:30 pm Post subject:

Yes, I believe there are some sort of forum rules. Dunno if they've ever been written and advertised though... that might be a good idea.

(+)ASSASSIN(+) · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 3:20 pm Post subject:

I think you can basically take all the regular rules that apply to the VIlle and use them for the forums as well. Basically as long as your not breaking rule #1 well then everythings going to be ok.
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cobra · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 4:25 pm Post subject:

instaed of always complaining about the admins and putting them into a bad daylight we should be glad with what all these admins are doing.
So stop complaining, if you don't like it here just go away and search another server to blame!!!!!!!!!!

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Brujah · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 4:41 pm Post subject:

Whybkuul · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 5:07 pm Post subject:

Hi guys *waves*

I haven't been here in a long time, wow has the ville changed. I'm dumbfounded at how many people have changed from those I used to game with. Reading these forums used to be a break from the drudgery of my work-now I avoid them like the plague just because I'm tired of seeing all the sh*t. From an outsider's point of view, I have a few things to say that may or may not help out.

-Admins- (I've never had issues with you guys before, so take this seriously)
I'm really disappointed in a lot of the things you've posted in some of the threads i've read recently. In one of them, someone posted something like "it's none of your business, stay out" I take offense to this. The Ville is a COMMUNITY.

-When something happens to a reg, I think it should be everyone's business as long as the reg does not feel unconfortable about it. Yea, this may be a private forum/server, but we have a right to know what happens to our fellow regulars, and why. It seems to me as though there has been a lot of oppression around here lately. How can we, as players, make educated decisions on if the server is a place we'd like to continue playing, if we do not have all the facts? I took a break from the game, and came back to find out the Ville has turned in to Germany, circa 1935-1945.
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EagleEyes · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:32 pm Post subject:

Sorry this is in reply to Bada's comment. Actually Paul Bunyan wasn't caught cheating in leagues, that was a joke put up on there clan website. Also, Paul has since quit TFC to go on a Mission in South America or something. :\
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Sully · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:35 pm Post subject:

WhyB,

I can sort of see why you've come to that conclusion while looking at some of the recent posts, but I would like to defend the admins.

Tempers have been running high around here for a while. It's a shame, and I sure hope it stops soon, since this is really supposed to be entertainment instead of trauma. If some of the admins seem a little hostile in their recent posts, it's because they have been in the middle of a sh*tstorm. The upheaval of the servers, the personality clashes, the multiple personalities have all come together to create a stressful environment for all. I can't blame anyone for wanting things to go back to where they were. I know I do. Unfortunately, that is not to be.

We are now a group divided. Standing in the middle of that division are a couple of people that used to wear the <TVB> tag. One side believes that we were betrayed by a person who used to display an excellent personality which turned sour when he put the tag on. The other person, I just don't know what happened. It still pains me.

I think that the other side believes that TVB is full of themselves and has created an oppressive society on this forum. They believe the two people who stand in the middle of this division are being unjustly persecuted and unfairly accused of various llamaish behavior, scripts, for example.

It's become a situation where everyone who calls The 'Ville home has been affected. I don't think that you can be a member of this community and not have an opinion. Lines have been drawn, sides have been chosen, and I don't see those lines being crossed any time soon.

I don't want to think that the 2 people who are at the center of this division created this turmoil to get attention. It would be too sad to contemplate. Of course, the other option is just as unpalettable. That would mean that they have a point, and we were to thick to see it.

The reality is, I don't think my side is wrong. No shocker there. I'm sure the people on the other side of the line don't think they are wrong either. It's not likely that we're going to resolve this one, especially since they have access to another server. I'm pretty sure that we're going to lose a couple of regs over this, not to include those who've been banned. And that is a shame.

So, I'm going to take this opportunity to wish those who've moved on Godspeed. I'm sorry that things haven't worked out for you here. I wish you the best.

WhyBkuul, I hope that you hang around long enough to get both sides of the story before you choose your side.
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Computer · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:44 pm Post subject:

Ok I was just going ot totally stay out of this but well I guess I'm not...

Sully good post except for one thing you said a couple of times. And that is about drawing lines. Lets not draw lines of division b/c then you create division. I think many people are vary capable of maintaining relationships on both sides of this wall that your creating by saying that there is division. Although division may have existed to some by the action so of a few. Some would rather believe that there was a difference of opinions thta doesn't really involve them and have no been directly effect by it.

Bah I'm going to stop talking in circles now. I'm friends with JR and Snag. And I to this day hold them in the highest regard b/c neither have done ANYTHING to me.

However I would be sickened to know that simply by my being friends/associates whatever with them, that I am somehow distancing myself from the Ville and the people that play here. My ties elsewhere shouldn't alienate me from here.

Though if this is how the admins feel as a whole then I guess that's as good as telling me I'm not welcome here b/c I've supposedly chosen sides, which I had no intentions of doing.

I want to maintain relationships on both sides of this 'line'... is this not possible?
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ToRaK · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:49 pm Post subject:

So, who is going to be man enough (or woman enough) to stop pointing fingers and decide to fix this problem and move on? The sooner done the better we will all be.
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Sully · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:51 pm Post subject:

CPU, I do believe that it is possible. I just don't see it happening to much. I don't suggest that we DO draw lines of division, I am simply pointing out that lines of division already exist, and most people are on one side or the other.

I fully believed that you were on one side until your last couple of posts, in which you declare your friendship and support for Snag and Jolly while pointing out that you hope this does not alienate you from the Ville admins and those who stand with them.

Even when I thought you were on the "other side", I still held no grudge against you. Actually, I respected where you were coming from. I disagreed, and still do, but I respected it.

You are an excellent ingame companion and a thoughtful poster. I am not an admin, but I believe that you are totally welcome here. If you would care for some unsolicited advice though, you might want to lay off the "I guess I'll be the next target because of my beliefs" theme. Not only is it beneath you, but it reminds me of Jolly's approach.

I hope that I haven't offended you with this advice, and I hope you take my opinion of you to heart.

C ya in game.
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Sully · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:54 pm Post subject:

Oh, and Torak?

That is a very simple post, didn't take long to type, less time to dream up.

Everyone here would love to fix the problem. If you have a way to fix it, post that instead, even if it takes a bit longer to type.
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EagleEyes · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 7:07 pm Post subject:

We should all focus on what this game is about, fun. If you are not having fun with this game you should really find another game or hobby that suits you. If you don't have fun in something you are doing (Job, school, sports etc.) you are going to have a negative attitude about it. So just play for the joy of the game, no more no less. And remember choclate smells like burnt feathers.
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Blown · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 7:56 pm Post subject:

I know my current outlook on all this is just trying to go out and have fun and not make what has happened recently an issue. Like EE said, we are here to have fun #1. Even though I dont know the details of what has happened recently, and to some degree would like to, I'm just going to take the word of the Admins decision on it. Its not that I'm questioning the decision, its just like what someone else said and what I've expressed privately, when its someone that has been here so long its nice to know what happened. I would go into greater detail the reasoning of not posting it, but its not my place to do so.

If we continue to dwell on things we wont be able to go on and just have fun IMO.

SoDum · Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 12:18 am Post subject: