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three_gunn
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i used to play D engie or O medic during leage...now i just play solly all the time(unless a demo is needed of course  ) because its more F - U - N...there are a lot of new people in TFC that choose to play solly...but they can be spotted out pretty quickly.
-oh yah...D medics...once again...i say they are annoying but can be effective. |
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Pfft.
defensive scout > defensive medic!
Woot!
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| Bada Bing wrote: | LOL Dad if sollies are for noobs why do they call them the most versatile and useful class in TFC  All we all said is that D medics are useless against an organized attack  |
They are versatile because they are so easy to play. They have plenty of health and armor and decent speed and you only have to hit NEAR what you aim at. Now if that isn't a NEWB class I don't know what is
Besides, who are They ? People who play soldier ?
Now a medic plays offense, defense and support and has to change at the drop of a hat. Now which class takes more skill ? But the soldier has to learn how to lead with the rocket oh my how difficult that must be
The medic has nades and a super shotgun and can health up the defense during battle. Now I'll be honest that I won't play defensive medic on some maps, but I will support my right to if I so choose to. And as far as an organized attack goes, most classes are useless against an organized attack. The defenders are usually at a disadvantage on most maps anyway. |
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BTW, there is NO SUCH THING as "league rules" as in "no potshotting, no D medic, etc." The true league rules tell you how to run a server for a match, what to do during a match, what to do after a match, etc. During the match, anything is allowed as long as it isn't cheating or extreme chasing (i.e. changing from O to D). The OGL, STA, and TFL rules don't mention anything about banning any class (in OGL just some class restrictions like 2 engies, 2 HWs like the Ville). So true league rules allow snipers, D medics, potshotting, almost anything you want (even D scouts ). I've seen good snipers used in fierce clan battles (I had it on demo...it was in the well flag room). Just clearing up on the "league rule" issue.
And since The Ville doesn't use any league rules at all, you're welcome to DM or chase or whatever. Although it doesn't help your team much...  I just think it's lame to chase and I won't do it even if others do.
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| CyCoDad wrote: | Good thing we don't play league rules on the Ville servers even if we play league maps !
All this talk about why be D medic and They should go Solly if they want to be D is BOGUS !! If I wanted league talk and league RULES I'd join a league !! If I want to be D medic I can, If I want to play D scout I will !! I can conc you and caltrop you and nail you before you even see the flag, or at least it is my right to try !!
People play what they like playing and as long as they have FUN and don't ruin it for everyone else, they should do what they want. I think league rules are STUPID and were created by simple minded people who ONLY PLAY SOLDIER !! Which as we all know is the true NEWB class
Next time you want to say something about league rules just remember they were created by WHINERS who didn't like snipers, medics and HW. Is this the type of people you wantto emulate ? |
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I couldn't say it better myself. I have have never liked what is said as "league rules" or "league ettiquite" just simply because you are running what is called a "league map". So what if it is a "league map," it is just a map, nothing special about it. You have all of the classes available to you and you should be able to play them if you choose. This is theville, where the main point is for FUN, not competition. If I find it fun to play sniper and try to catch those concing medics, that is my choice, especially if the game is so far gone that it won't matter. It will help my skills for one day that when I get a better connection. I may become a better sniper than svvord then, doubtful, but possible. I found that in TF, yes the original Team Fortress, that my favorite map was bases. I enjoyed playing ever class on that game, even sniper. If the map was designed to be unfavorible to snipers, why is there a sniper deck? I say allow people to play the class that they choose.
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| Borg wrote: | | CyCoDad wrote: | Good thing we don't play league rules on the Ville servers even if we play league maps !
All this talk about why be D medic and They should go Solly if they want to be D is BOGUS !! If I wanted league talk and league RULES I'd join a league !! If I want to be D medic I can, If I want to play D scout I will !! I can conc you and caltrop you and nail you before you even see the flag, or at least it is my right to try !!
People play what they like playing and as long as they have FUN and don't ruin it for everyone else, they should do what they want. I think league rules are STUPID and were created by simple minded people who ONLY PLAY SOLDIER !! Which as we all know is the true NEWB class
Next time you want to say something about league rules just remember they were created by WHINERS who didn't like snipers, medics and HW. Is this the type of people you wantto emulate ? |
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I couldn't say it better myself. I have have never liked what is said as "league rules" or "league ettiquite" just simply because you are running what is called a "league map". So what if it is a "league map," it is just a map, nothing special about it. You have all of the classes available to you and you should be able to play them if you choose. This is theville, where the main point is for FUN, not competition. If I find it fun to play sniper and try to catch those concing medics, that is my choice, especially if the game is so far gone that it won't matter. It will help my skills for one day that when I get a better connection. I may become a better sniper than svvord then, doubtful, but possible. I found that in TF, yes the original Team Fortress, that my favorite map was bases. I enjoyed playing ever class on that game, even sniper. If the map was designed to be unfavorible to snipers, why is there a sniper deck? I say allow people to play the class that they choose.
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gimmie a break. I don't believe anyone said they were gonna strip anyone of thier right to play any class. Someone was simply making the point that it may be more to your teams advantage to play a class with heavier munitions. I of course realize this server has no rules regarding potshotting, or HW on O or Medic on D, so you'll not hear me bitch about it. However I believe I'm doing what is most advantageous to my team to play a faster class on offense and a more heavily armed class on defense. I don't bother shotting the other teams offense when I'm playin O b/c I'm not going ot waste my time killing him, my objective is the flag and not DMing the an NME medic/scout. If you wanna use the ammo to knock off a couple health/armor as I run past then fine, be my guest, but perhaps you should also calculate in the time you lost shooting at me when you could have gotten another touch on the flag?
The Ville IS NOT a league server and there are no "league rules" play what you want. But also consider what would be most helpful to your team.
As far Solly being n00b... please. Let me think oh yea spys.... yea their too strong too... uh huh. riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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Lin Sivvi Defiant Hero
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Most post was involving tpf, a medic that only chases people around and doesn't heal is team all that much is not a tpf player. Even if he did heal his team in many cases he wouldn't help much, because a heavy with 100 health and 0 armour is fairly easy to take out. I was trying to say to not play it because it's poinltess. I'm in the same clan as tor, and I do compete, but I rarely bitch about people pot shoting me, and sniping (hell I even snipe). But like a D scout, is that helping your team? Sure go ahead and play it. Even better, if I'm on the other team I'll encourage you to play, but cause it's really really simple to cap. In openfire, you'll get about 2 shots on me before I start concing around and gettin the flag a good distance out. It's not a "league rule" not to play medic D, but in the "league maps" that I started this post with, they are not effective. League maps were made with a heavy D mindset, unlike valve maps that are equal opertunity maps  |
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| CyCoDad wrote: | | Bada Bing wrote: | | LOL Dad if sollies are for noobs why do they call them the most versatile and useful class in TFC All we all said is that D medics are useless against an organized attack |
They are versatile because they are so easy to play. They have plenty of health and armor and decent speed and you only have to hit NEAR what you aim at. Now if that isn't a NEWB class I don't know what is
Besides, who are They ? People who play soldier ?
Now a medic plays offense, defense and support and has to change at the drop of a hat. Now which class takes more skill ? But the soldier has to learn how to lead with the rocket oh my how difficult that must be
The medic has nades and a super shotgun and can health up the defense during battle. Now I'll be honest that I won't play defensive medic on some maps, but I will support my right to if I so choose to. And as far as an organized attack goes, most classes are useless against an organized attack. The defenders are usually at a disadvantage on most maps anyway. |
Tell that to the many soldiers who die alot and caannot aim.Bada Sr. has a rough time at solly but is learning pretty fast.Noob blah blah say that to me as I kill you hehe  Snipers maybe aren't a noob class but they sure are annoying and useless in clan matches HEHE  Who really cares what class you play I prefer solly and on D can pretty much hold my own against any class so bah it takes more talent than hw and is much more useful than sniper or medic
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| Computer wrote: | | Borg wrote: | | CyCoDad wrote: | Good thing we don't play league rules on the Ville servers even if we play league maps !
All this talk about why be D medic and They should go Solly if they want to be D is BOGUS !! If I wanted league talk and league RULES I'd join a league !! If I want to be D medic I can, If I want to play D scout I will !! I can conc you and caltrop you and nail you before you even see the flag, or at least it is my right to try !!
People play what they like playing and as long as they have FUN and don't ruin it for everyone else, they should do what they want. I think league rules are STUPID and were created by simple minded people who ONLY PLAY SOLDIER !! Which as we all know is the true NEWB class
Next time you want to say something about league rules just remember they were created by WHINERS who didn't like snipers, medics and HW. Is this the type of people you wantto emulate ? |
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I couldn't say it better myself. I have have never liked what is said as "league rules" or "league ettiquite" just simply because you are running what is called a "league map". So what if it is a "league map," it is just a map, nothing special about it. You have all of the classes available to you and you should be able to play them if you choose. This is theville, where the main point is for FUN, not competition. If I find it fun to play sniper and try to catch those concing medics, that is my choice, especially if the game is so far gone that it won't matter. It will help my skills for one day that when I get a better connection. I may become a better sniper than svvord then, doubtful, but possible. I found that in TF, yes the original Team Fortress, that my favorite map was bases. I enjoyed playing ever class on that game, even sniper. If the map was designed to be unfavorible to snipers, why is there a sniper deck? I say allow people to play the class that they choose.
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gimmie a break. I don't believe anyone said they were gonna strip anyone of thier right to play any class. Someone was simply making the point that it may be more to your teams advantage to play a class with heavier munitions. I of course realize this server has no rules regarding potshotting, or HW on O or Medic on D, so you'll not hear me bitch about it. However I believe I'm doing what is most advantageous to my team to play a faster class on offense and a more heavily armed class on defense. I don't bother shotting the other teams offense when I'm playin O b/c I'm not going ot waste my time killing him, my objective is the flag and not DMing the an NME medic/scout. If you wanna use the ammo to knock off a couple health/armor as I run past then fine, be my guest, but perhaps you should also calculate in the time you lost shooting at me when you could have gotten another touch on the flag?
The Ville IS NOT a league server and there are no "league rules" play what you want. But also consider what would be most helpful to your team.
As far Solly being n00b... please. Let me think oh yea spys.... yea their too strong too... uh huh. riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. |
That comment of mine was fueled by something that happened ingame. Someone came in and said that no one should be playing sniper, he even wanted the admin to change the sniper limit to -1. I was playing sniper at the time, trying to improve my aim with all of those medics concing all over the place, and little defense on either team. I got a little angry at that and the emotions were still there when I posted.
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I've said it before, if there are no snipers in leagues it is because they are useless, not because there are rules against them.
A soldier can get 2 attacking medics and wounding a 3rd in one attack run easily, while a sniper will only get one. All medics in leagues are flying all over the map outside. It has been proven in leagues that a real D setup include engy, soldier, hwg and dman piping the flag, in various combinations.
Attacks consist of medics, scouts, and a soldier or a dman, and a spy. This is not "rules", it is used because of effectiveness. The only rules in leagues are regarding chasing, and class limitations.
Ok, some maps may be favorable for snipers, like avanti, but it is a rarity in leagues.
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| ToRaK wrote: | D medics have no place on league maps.
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Do O HWG's.
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i haven't read the rest of the posts so i don't know if this has already been said but...
i play O with HW n I've seen others doing it -- but the fact is here at the ville we play by ville rules and not league rules |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2002 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Bobbins, the last part has been said by numerous people. I think the main problem is with people who play in leagues.
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| Borg wrote: | | Bobbins, the last part has been said by numerous people. I think the main problem is with people who play in leagues. |
Ok dont' start generalizing, no one was a problem except the people whining that they want to play a certain class on the maps in question. And I think everyone that has had an opposing opinion to your has said go ahead and play whatever you please, but the fact of the matter is your effectiveness and contribution to the team are comprimised when you make these decisions. TPF, doing whats best for you team takes precedence over all else IMHO.
So dont' start this "league" people bs. Like has been said over and over again. There aren't "league" rules about this, just common practice b/c it's effectiveness, and if we're not being effective and productive, then what are we being?
oh and bobins you should really read through what is written else you might make uninformed comments.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2002 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Computer wrote: |
Ok dont' start generalizing, no one was a problem except the people whining that they want to play a certain class on the maps in question. And I think everyone that has had an opposing opinion to your has said go ahead and play whatever you please, but the fact of the matter is your effectiveness and contribution to the team are comprimised when you make these decisions. TPF, doing whats best for you team takes precedence over all else IMHO.
So dont' start this "league" people bs. Like has been said over and over again. There aren't "league" rules about this, just common practice b/c it's effectiveness, and if we're not being effective and productive, then what are we being?
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First off, I never said anything about not being TPF. Sometimes TPF is learning a new class so you can be more effective later. I can't be the one who is the medic concing all over the place becuase I don't know how to conc that well. I don't play solly much because I don't like the slow speed of the class.
Second, I am calling these league rules because that has been what people have been calling them. I will stop when the people who play in leagues stop. I would take them to be more informed than me on the league rules and I thought that is what they were called. I have heard from people saying contradicting things about these "league rules" so I am not completely sure which is correct since I know there are seperate leagues that could have different rules. Sorry.
Third, I am starting to think that this thread needs to get locked. It is almost seeming people are getting flamed for their opinions, which I think is the whole point of this thread now. People's opinions and intereptations.
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Two good soldiers and a good engie can really be a potent defense along with a good demo depending how many people are playing.Demo is great for piping the flag because concs dont affect them and with soldiers and a sg protecting them you can basically forget about capping the flag
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