[Computer]

I'm sorry to have to do it like this but I just would like to hear it straight from the man himself. Otherwise this ugly subject will continue and I'd really rather it not.

Where does the Ville stand on binding/scripting?
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[Blown]

I'd be happy with just some set rules on different scripts

Reload script
Sg script
spy bagdrop script
demo pipe laying script
rocket jump script
concing script
disp build/det script


I can use common sense to some of these and know what are ok and what would be frowned upon. But your word to these would go MILES Rob. I'm sure I missed some so if you have others maybe list them.

[Jasun]

well logically youd have to look at it like this...if you set a rule no scripts.. then you have to enforce it.. and what a pain in the a$$ that would be since theres no real script checking server addon for HL it would all have to be done by guessing who has a script and then manually banning them.. thats more of a pain then just letting scripts be used... of corse i could be wrong i havent done any research on server script searching addons
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[Blown]

I think your missing the whole point here. There are honest ppl like myself and many many others that if Rob said no to something we would respect him by either not playing here or removing the scripts. I'm not saying what I would do just that it would be nice to know how TheVille stands on these different scripts. Like you said policing it would be a problem but there are some of us like myself that was some resolution to this issue once and for all.

[bobins]

[John Doe]

Gents, we had discussions on scripts some time ago and Rob spoke then. Rob is awful busy with other items right now so I will try to make this simple.


A script that allows you to do something that you could not do normally in game would be considered a cheat. Pretty much anything else is allowed.

An example of a script that allows you to do something that you cannot normally do in game is a pipe script for a demoman that allows him to aim straight down and lay a pile of pipes at his feet. I would be very impressed to see someone do this in game without a script.

If you want a sepcific ruling on a script then post a question directed to me or send me a PM and I will share my thoughts on the issue.

JD
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[Blown]

bobins, that is a bind so no worries


John, i guess I never saw him post his feelings, guess i missed it. Thanks

[John Doe]

No worries Blown, it was a good 6 months ago if memory serves. I may dig up the thread later if I have time.


JD
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[Blown]

ok

Reload, Rocket Jump, conc jump I'm sure you know what those do.


spy one is where you fiegh and drop a bag right on top of you, not possible I dont think normally so would be a no no.

Demo on is laying pipes directly below you in a nice pile, again not possible so also a no no.

Sg on is press a key to build the sg, then hit same key after its built to rotate 180 degrees or whatever you set it to do. Should be ok I think

Dispensor one is build disp with one hit of the key, then det it with a second hit of the key. Same as sg, should be ok I think

buildspecial/_special2 and detspecial bound to one key, can be done with two keys but puts them in one spot. Works well for demos mines. I actually used it for a bit but liked having two keys instead. Prob is you cant build all your mines, but does work well for the medic to build in one hit and blow in the second hit. Also works well with the engie, unless you forget you already have a mg.


Oh ya, there are other scripts out there, but I doubt a single person here wouldnt think they are bad. Like ones that exploit bugs. Medics able to have a RPG. Or be a blue team player but actually have a red model so everyone is confused. Those arent even worth commenting on.

[CyC0Dad]

Looks to me like you have the picture there blown. Any of the scripts that adjust cl_pitchspeed and cl_pitchdown will be flagged and may eventually be considered cheating, since they can make the person invulnerable to SGs and anyone who aims when they shoot (so soldiers can still frag them whoops wrong thread ) while this might not be the intention, it is a byproduct.

Comm scripts aren't as important anymore since the voice is enabled. Let's see there are other spy scripts that do one key disguise as well. That would be OK, since you can do it with the menus right ?

I personally have tried most of the scripts and found them lacking and chose not to use them. Several of them need tweaking based on the ping and lately the pings really fluctuate some days. I can be more consistant manually and have rebound most of my keys so certain combos are easier for me. I really hate the +reload myself since you need to bind a key to -reload for when you die mid action. It gives a bit of an edge, especially over someone like me who always forgets to reload , but so does screen size fps and lots of other things that can't be equalized. It may be a little edge, but as long as it follows the rules, who cares. That little edge won't allow a newb to pwn a reg, that is for sure. I might think a conc jumping script is lame but that doesn't mean you are cheating if you use one.

ANY script or action that takes advantage of a BUG or flaw in the game would be considered something to avoid at the Ville. As for those that don't think scripts should be part of the game, you are entitled to your opinion. Those that use scripts may continue to do so as long as they use a little logic like blown65 showed in the above post. I really don't see scripts giving that much of an edge to any individual anyway.

PLEASE....no more discussion or we are going to have to add scripts to the religion and politics list of things we don't discuss here.
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[Bada Bing]

Dad if you have seen some of the scripts I have seen you would freak out some scripts are very useful and some are just plain unfair and cheap.I will PM you and JD about his.
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[CyC0Dad]

[ToRaK]

Rocket jumps scripts remind me of BASF commericals.

They don't make the rocket or the jump, they just make it more reliable. For most jumps I don't understand why someone would need/want to use a script, but for SOME jumps I understand and DO use the script (but not on TV6 cuz it'll call me bad names). The only jumps I ever use the jump script for is 2fort elevator, hunted roof, and well attic. Other than that most jumps are easy enough to hit 100% of the time that such a script is just plain wrong.

Flame away!!! I'm wearing my flame retardant suit.
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[CyC0Dad]

What a Hoser !! You need a script to get out of the elevater shaft on 2fart ?? The hunted Roof ?? I can do those in my sleep !! Where do I send donations...because you must have some incurable disease...inconcievable !!!

Well at least you came out of the digital closet as it were...now take off hoser !! Before you get things started again....Sheeesh..some people just never know when to shudap !!
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