[Bada Bing]

As a veteran of the Vietnam War I just had to post this. It is a little upsetting to me and I am sure many of you may not understand. I just had to put this up anyway

Subj: KEEP THIS MOVING; ACROSS AMERICA HONORING A TRAITOR This is for all
the kids born in the 70's that do not remember this, and didn't have to
bear the burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older brothers and sisters
had to bear. Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the
Century." Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have
never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but
specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry
Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival
School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged from a stinking
cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered
to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane
treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged
away.

>>During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's
>>feet, which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered
>>from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the
>>Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1963-65,
>>Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the
>>"Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action". His wife
>>lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned,
>>fed, clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.
>>
>>They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that
>>they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his
>>SSN on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
>>cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little
>>encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are
>>you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?"
>>Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of
paper.
>>
>>She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and
>>once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
>>she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of
>>papers. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was
>>almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know
>>about her actions that day.
>>
>>I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was
>>captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and
>>held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one
>>year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My
>>North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female
>>missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom
>>I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.
>>
>>At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is
>>170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."
>>
>>When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political
>>officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I
>>would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received
>>different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and
>>parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent
>>three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a
>>large amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane
>>till my arms dipped.
>>
>>I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after
>>I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
>>She did not answer me.
>>
>>This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100
>>Years of Great Women." Lest we forget..."100 years of great women" should
>>never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many
>>patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but
>>Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.
>>
>>Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It
>>will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will
>>never forget.
>


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[BitterBeerFace]

Very touchy subject... I suggest everyone read "A Bright Shining Lie" by Neil Sheehan. It's interesting how Jane Fonda bought the screen rights to the book, and the film turned out to be a very iffy version for the book.

That being said, Jane Fonda really is/was dumb, and basically abandoning the Americans like that should automatically knock her off any list of "great people".

Just my 35 Lire.

[(+)ASSASSIN(+)]

Well as I dont know (or care)much about anything that she has done to be even considered on this list, I can say that I do have a definetion of her based on the above reading: "what a worthless piece of $hit" im obviously too young to have been around then but I cant even imagine what it must have been like to be drafted and sent to a war that the government basically wasnt going to let you win because of ignorance. In my opinion anyone who was not there regardless of reason should shut there mouths, since they dont know what really happend. Damn worthless hippies anyways.

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[Secret Agent Man]

this is f'ed up dude....



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aa, oshiete sensei-san

[Snaggletooth]

This makes me want to vomit. My uncle is a Vietnam Vet and has never been the same since he returned. I can't even imagine how it was for those men to see their only hopes handed over like that. The only time I ever heard my uncle talk about the war was a story of how he had to hitch hike to even get home from San Diego to Indiana. He had to steal clothes because no one would even talk to him with a uniform on and he didn't have enough money to call home with. The first people he saw when he got off the boat spit on him for "killing women and children". I hope that Ms. Fonda is proud of herself...

[thewz]

I thought that there were women and children who were raped and murdered by American soldiers in nam?

[BitterBeerFace]

Avenger, yes, there were... that happens in war. I'm not trying to justify it, but it's a sad bit of repeating history, soldiers do that kind of thing. The big difference is that the Viet Nam war was the first that media was able to get unlimited access to, and Americans were exposed to images of it uncensored. Those actions were not nearly as wipe spread in Viet Nam as we've been lead to believe. (at least as done by americans, it still happened alot anyway, though)

[Whybkuul]

Let's not make this an argument. I just want to say I support our soldiers and this country through and through. I respect every soldier that puts his life on the line so I can keep my freedom. I know that I would drop my phone and pick up a gun in a heartbeat if I was needed, just to keep this country free for our children. The only reason I'm able to wake up in the morning and go to a job I've selected is because of all the soldiers that have sacrificed their lives for freedom. The only reason I can go home and turn on the television to real news, or pick up a book that is not filled with propaganda, or read a newspaper filled with people bashing our leaders, is because of the soldiers that have fought for that right. I do not tolerate people bashing those who fought in Vietnam, nor any other war.

[hoaxie]

That nearly made me cry, Bada. Yeah, I know, I'm a weepy woman, what can I say. I wonder who is honoring her. Do you know? Perhaps we could start some sort of letter writing campaign. Let me know, Bada, because I am just furious to think that someone who could have helped so many instead turned her back on them when they needed her the most! I am sorry to post this here, but she is a self-serving bitch for those actions!

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[ This Message was edited by: one big hoax on 2002-04-04 18:06 ]

[BitterBeerFace]

Like I said, touchy topic... no arguments intended

Dragging this back on topic, I don't see how Jane Fonda can be ranked so highly? What group did those rankings? Given about 5 minutes, I think I can name 20 better choices...

***EDIT***
I think "Ladies Home Journal" made that top 100 list, don't quote me on that, since I haven't found the actual list they made...

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[ This Message was edited by: BitterBeerFace on 2002-04-04 18:13 ]

[Snaggletooth]

Probably some folks with a certain political lean I won't mention here... I'd be interested to see what the criteria was for this honor as well.

[BitterBeerFace]

Ok, this is for sure... it's based on a book "100 Most Important Women of the 20th Century" by Ladies' Home Journal staff... buy the book for criteria, I guess.

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[ This Message was edited by: BitterBeerFace on 2002-04-04 18:24 ]

[thewz]

Sorry i didn't want to sound like I was blaming all American soldiers of that. It's just that it sounded like you guys were trying to deny that those things ever happened.

[BitterBeerFace]

Hahaha, just one more reply by me in this thread... found this site: http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa110399.htm
For more discussion on the topic of Jane Fonda, go there if you're that interested

[Snaggletooth]

Check out the results of the current poll from that website.