Jagd ?

junkyard · Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:07 am Post subject: Jagd ?

New maps always need new definitions around the rules. So first question when an ally makes it up to the church, and starts killing axis. I have just been going off CAL rules that the moment they hit the ground outside the church they are fair game except for the church tower anyone up there is fair. Shooting into the church is against the rules imo, and also against CAL rules.

The next would be when allies are camping the sherman which seems to always be the last target. They get up in that hole in the building looking down on the sherman, and usually snipe, and mg from there. Imo anyone in that hole is fair game regardless of whether they are firing or not since they eventually will. The reason I ask on this is that it is directly out of there spawn.

And another thing mani mod must not work on Jagd because I have seen the timer go past 30 minutes several times.
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Greebo · Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:13 am Post subject:

I think that this is a grey area, but definitely if they're firing at you, they're fair game. If they're coming out and will be firing at you....I think in this pariticular case it's also fair game, but we'll see what others say.

The timer runs over in 2 similar situations:

1) If the 30 min timer has ended but there's still time left on the round timer.

2) If winning the final round ties the game, even if it finishes after the 30 min timer is done, it'll do another round to get a winner. At least this is what I have been lead to believe.
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Stevo · Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:10 am Post subject:

I agree with these rules. Allies shouldn't be shooting into the bomb depot, but camping around it seems to be alright because there are several exit options. All those holes in the Allied spawn where people camp were meant to be open to Axis fire. There shouldn't be any immune camping spots imo.
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s.Squirrel · Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:38 am Post subject:

Should be fair game except for shooting into the church. On the allied side I’m not sure I would call much of anything spawn camping, just give them a fair chance. You’re trying to keep them from getting to the objectives.

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powdermilkman · Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:07 pm Post subject:

yeah on jagd i think positioning around the church or near the church as long as the person in question is not firing in the church is fair game...but as soon as he steps into or fires into the church then that would be spawn camping.

on the allies side i would say those holes are fair game to sit in and get fired on...i think the developers meant it to be this way as well

in all other cases if they are comming out of spawn and shooting at you then it is fair game and not spawn camping. There are several instances of needing to do this in Donner especially near the end flags where the allies and axis can sit on top of their little bunker and fire down...if they are firing im going to fire back and would assume any other reasonable person would do the same thing.

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junkyard · Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject:

powdermilkman · Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject:

actually i was unaware of this on many levels including i always have to play axis on that map because teams are unbalanced, when i do get to play allies i can never make that far, and blind ignorance to the fact there is an "invisible wall" feature added by valve....which means they had to be thinking...which means we are in trouble in some way.

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StrontiumDog · Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject:

It must have happened in Kalt too...!
Preacherman and I were on the server last night and he teleported me into Axis spawn (I was Allies)...and when I tried to run out, I couldn't get over the ramp....

An invisible wall in the way.
In fact I wonder how many maps have this now? I wonder if Flash has been fixed?
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powdermilkman · Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject:

flash has those giant sand bags in front though so its a lot harder to get in

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junkyard · Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject:

Lt. Black · Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:18 am Post subject:

"Fair game" is now, and always will be defined as such: anything not wearing the same uniform that I am.
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powdermilkman · Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:03 am Post subject:

true you have a point Lt. Black but when does one become fair game is the issue here...which i stated how i view when one becomes fair game and how most admins and myself will follow.

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ArtesMagae · Registered User Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 20

For the most part I agree with the general rule of not shooting into the church. I know you can't run into because of the barrier but can you still shoot into it?

Aside from that, I want to pose the problem with that solution. Although it is very rare, I have seen a couple times where a almost all exits are being camped by multiple people. This can really only be achieved by using grunts up close and MGs far from the exits. The MG does not shoot into the spawn but directly after exit, you are done.

My point is, even with the no shooting into church, it is possible to near completely lock the place down.

Ricen · Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:19 am Post subject: Re: One thing

StrontiumDog · Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:22 am Post subject:

You can't shoot into the church, but you're right, it is possible to prevent axis from leaving spawn, especially as there are only those two exits.

I have been able to sit near the end of the narrow alley on the way to the half track and shoot anyone coming out of Axis spawn but it feels too much like spawn camping, although I was quite a bit away from it....a bit like shooting into Allies spawn in 1.3 Donner....

If I see anyone inside that broken wall around the church, I warn them off.
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