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LJ
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:42 pm    Post subject: theville IV - maps that empty the server Reply with quote

Currently on theville IV there's a voting system to determine the nextmap. Which is typically fine but sometimes a map wins that tends to lose a lot of people. Sure, the map won the voting so what's the problem? Some people just really hate some maps and some really love them.

Forrest - this is perhaps the worst one but, fortunately it rarely wins the vote. It's that hated.

Charlie - People either really love this map or really hate it. I hate it and I'm not alone. There are quite a few 24/7 charlie servers. Can't the charlie lovers go there

Zalec - I think it's called zalec. The one where allies have to take out a fountain then 3 tanks and a church. That map can be ok but it often suffers from the allies not working together. It's one that can get frustrating at times and loses a lot of people because of it.

These are the 3 maps I'd like to see removed from the voting list.

Please don't turn the thread into a "i hate this map so please remove it". I just wanted to draw attention to maps that I feel tend to have a lot of people leaving it. Of course there are other maps I dislike. My personal preference is to avoid maps that have objectives which are offense vs defense (jaqd, glider, flugstaff, ...). Oddly enough, in TFC it was the exact opposite. Dustbowl and avanti were my favorites there.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you LJ!! I was mentioning this tonight in game how Charlie completely empties the players right out. People pick the map then leave cause they don't want to play that map they choose, but others have to stick it out! There should be some system that if say 19 people vote for a map and like 8 leave, the map that came in second should be played because the people stayed. Yanno?

But yeah, removing those would be a blessing. Although, Zalec I can stand, it's fun, but Charlie and Forest, no thanks, I'll pass on those.

Maybe we can get some CUSTOM maps into the rotation to bring some fresh faces around, like Railroad, Harrington, Trenches. Any chance some customs can make an appearance? We need a change from the normal maps.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to run a CS and TFC server back about 5 years ago. Well, dod and firearms too but they weren't that popular. Anyway, I really loved custom maps but I found they emptied the server. Putting custom maps in the rotation seems like a good idea but just doesn't work out. As much as you post that these maps are in rotation even regulars just refuse to download the maps beforehand.

What I ended up doing was having a custom map day usually on a saturday or sunday for a few hours. It was a big hit with the regulars and wasn't something that had a negative impact on the general rotation.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

charlie remains pretty popular historically here for us at the ville...as far as forrest and zalec i am not that fond of those either but there are people who are and we try and cater to the most people.

As far as custom maps go...if you want to clean out a server thats the way to do it. What worse way to keep people...if people are not aware that the maps on the website then they will leave or perhaps the custom maps aren't that great then they will leave. About a year or so ago we had another TV7 server that i ran with my college roommate (co-owner of the ville with me) and it was all custom maps and man did it never stay full or anyone actually play on the server even though we had a map pack here for download. Towards the end of its life it did start getting a regular crowd but alas it went the way of the dodo.

Anyway the bottom line is we offer 3 dod 1.3 servers each one offering a little something different than the others maybe when a crappy map comes on one go to the other...would be my suggestion

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, that's unfortunate. Hopefully more people will see this thread and speak up. I don't think i'm alone in seeing the negative impact of how some maps can have on the server.

Take for instance tonight when charlie won the vote. I left a full server for 30 minutes to come back to glider playing with 12 people on it. Now glider can be an ok map but it's one that requires 20+ people on it for the axis to have a chance at a decent defense. Too many points for allies to get around. Theville IV never recovered for the remainder of the night.

And there are only 2 dod 1.3 servers here at theville I believe. Theville 5 is the other and it's just another pub to me. Bad ping and just doesn't have the regulars that thevilleIV has.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forest is an awesome map, dont remove it! It's like my 2nd favorite map (next to charlie)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a TV7 as well now we just put it up last week. It is simular to TVIV. This is the IP for it 70.84.56.212:27016.


It does seem some times when people ar getting ready to leave they like to choose Charlie/Forest for some reason. I have seen it plenty of times. It seems that alot of the time that when people vote for Charlie & Forset 2 seconds later you see them leave the server even before the current map is finished. Then the next thing you know there is 5 people on the server when the map changes. I usually will switch it if I see people leaving or do a vote before the map changes so that it will keep people on the server. I think they do it, because they know lots of people don't enjoy the map so they vote it in before they leave. Anyways thats my 0.02 on the matter.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea i have noticed it also but most people dont like playin the maps becuase (1) there computer cant run the map becuz theres too much going on so there is alot of lag(gamers worst enemy) and also they dont like playin the maps becuz theres jsut boring like for example: Charlie- all u do is pick off people runnin up the beach, everyones always snipers so it gets annoying! but hopefully it changes cuz i usually play charlie and some of the other mpas so ya hopefully we can get some more people to play!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kopykat now i know we have you to blame for charlie and forrest! honestly i hate both maps with a very big passion! maybe we could make one of the servers just like the old ville 1 rotation and let the newbs have the other server for charlie and forrest! cause when they get voted i leave and alot of other people do too, if those two maps were just on 1 server i would know wich one not to play on!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that would be awesome!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simpleman wrote:
There is a TV7 as well now we just put it up last week. It is simular to TVIV. This is the IP for it 70.84.56.212:27016.


It does seem some times when people ar getting ready to leave they like to choose Charlie/Forest for some reason. I have seen it plenty of times. It seems that alot of the time that when people vote for Charlie & Forset 2 seconds later you see them leave the server even before the current map is finished. Then the next thing you know there is 5 people on the server when the map changes. I usually will switch it if I see people leaving or do a vote before the map changes so that it will keep people on the server. I think they do it, because they know lots of people don't enjoy the map so they vote it in before they leave. Anyways thats my 0.02 on the matter.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charlie and Forest can go both ways depending on the players. It takes good teamwork to get anything out of those maps.

I don't really care what map is playing as long as there are cool people there to play it with.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i play them anyways i jsut dont like forest becuz its hard to see things but i play it anyway!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tv5 is running the old tv1 rotation. This was changed when tv7 was turned on.

tv7 is running like tv4.

Ok guys, TV4 rotation will be staying the way it is at this time. To be honest the settings you see, the maps running, etc have been the same for years. The server is usually full and that is what we want. My focus years ago was tv4 to be popular with all the maps available to the players and we delivered.

The only map that is not in the rotation is Escape. Why? Because it goes against what we believe here at the ville.

Other than that, there are people who welcome Forest, charlie and zalec. I happen to like 2 of those maps more than others. I do understand Forest does drop the players down, but if it makes those few people who voted for it happy then so am I.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stevo wrote:
I don't really care what map is playing as long as there are cool people there to play it with.
I agree with Stevo
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