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Snaggletooth
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Okay....Dahak and anyone who uses auto reload. That's the lamest script ever, you can't push R and wait for the dumb thing to load the tube? Don't tell me about how VALVE and SIERRA intended to have scripts to help no skill players dominate by performing simple single key operations, because "they might hurt their widdle fingers". The *only* reason I can see ever having things like that is for people in Species case, but only them. (Sorry to single you out Species)
| Quote: | | Scripting was around in QWTF, and when TFC came out, I ported all my scripts over to TFC. Valve intended for scripting to be in the game, and they support it, so don't say that it is not part of the game. Scripting has been around forever. |
| Quote: | | So's murder does that make it right? |
As far as the reference to murder. Right on! Let me explain that to all of you who couldn't make the connection the first time. I'll go very S L O W L Y so you can comprehend it.
Murder(scripts (as Dahak so elloquently put it)) have been around forever(since the early days of QWTF(not the game we play here, apples and oranges buddy.)), that doesn't make it okay to Murder(use scripts) but people will continue to Murder(use scripts) as long as they feel insecure of their abilities, and want what others posess.
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Kjeldorian Royal Guard 42
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Right on Snaggle!
Dahak, I mulched with you the other day before I knew you were scripted. You almost always kill with the fifth rocket. I died several times because while I was reloading, you were shooting a fifth rocket. I asked you, "how do you reload so fast"? You answered, "I have an auto reload script that does it for me". Those were your exact words. Auto reload in mulch is the very definition of laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame! 
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Dahak
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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i'm up for it.
what's murder have to do with anything? we're talking about a game here.
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Greebo
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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It's already been explained...
You said that scripts have been around for ages.
My reply was that so has murder - does that make it right?
Course if we're gonna go for the "millions of dead people can't be wrong" approach...
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FingerDemon
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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I just played a while without my rocket jumping script. It wasn't too bad, I was quite surprised. I don't know why it was so bad for me last time I tried it. Maybe my connection was laggier then. Or I had the shakes from caffeine withdrawl or something.
As for murder, well I did kill a drifter with a tubesock full of woodscrews once. That's not wrong, is it? I mean c'mon he was a drifter! 
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Silly LLama, Scripts are for NOOB's 
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kazebari?
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Kjel! I was on the server at that time! Why didn't you mulch me?
...Of course if you just say I'm not good enough for you I'm going to feel really bad and spam the forums.
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DreadVile
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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First off KRG saying ALL people use them cause they have to or they will suck is wrong. Out of the 91 ppl I have killed only 6 have killed me more then I have them. Lets see I did not use a Rjump to kill them since I don't even use mine..or a Pjump to kill them since it will only kill me. So saying we NEED them or we would SUCK is not a very nice thing to say.
My Pjump and Rjump do 2 thing jump/fire
They don't look down or anthing else. I control how high or long I go and in some cases I miss judge it and just fall to my death. All they do is keep my buttons in order. I don't use them to gain anything and they don't the way I have it set up. If I have it so it did EVRYTHING to Rjump for me then yes that would be trying to gain. Mine does not.
This is a Config used to gain sometihng. It lets you see thru walls on some Mods
bind "your key" +peek
alias +peek "chaseback -50;chaseup 0;chaseactive 1"
alias -peek "chaseactive 0"
(I changed it so it won't work so don't try it. just giving a Exp.)
That is trying to gain something.
In closing try not to lump in ppl that do it to organize the keyboard.
P.S. Greebo the sniper zoom is a script created by the ppl that made the game.
It zooms in and lowers sensitivity. Just Fyi
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Oops..was meant for a Dif topic..sorry
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Greebo
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Sniper zoom.....eh?
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Auto-reload scripts help a little, but not as much as you really need. Rocket jumping scripts are useless, as for I can usually make a perfect double jump cap at CP2 in avanti without a script. Bunnyhopping scripts should be considered cheats. Nade priming scripts are just dumb. There is no advantage. Pipe bomb jumping scripts are dumb, because you still need to time when you're going to hit the button.
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On 2002-02-19 12:52, Greebo wrote:
It's already been explained...
You said that scripts have been around for ages.
My reply was that so has murder - does that make it right?
Course if we're gonna go for the "millions of dead people can't be wrong" approach...
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this has nothing to do with the murder reference. since when has murder been accepted and morally right for thousands of years? it hasn't! people may have gotten away with it, but it has never been morally right. scripts are accepted by some and not by others. plus murder is real life, this is just a freaking game.
anyhow...what if i just had my reload bound to the same keys as walking. or even reload bound to key close to my walking keys. are those instances ok? or are they lame? or are they just being smart and using your keys as effectively as possible by not wasting action?
finally scripts don't help you aim or time grenade throw. i guarantee you didn't lose in mulch because the guy reloaded. he could have just as easily switched to his shotty and popped you. and scripted rocketjumping just isn't huge part of the game because there are so many different kinds of jumps that one has to do.
scripts are a nice crutch when are first learning the game, but once you get into they just aren't that big a part of the game. |
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| Heh I don't know why but this reminds me of Maians rant on Republicans. Neither side will budge. I don't think any side has or will change their opinions. I have sided with Greebo and KRG the whole time. I can see where Dreadvile, Dahak, and BigCaulk are coming from but I still don't like scripts. But hey, its just me. I wouldn't worry about it. |
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Kjeldorian Royal Guard 42
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Well the general opinion from all the scripters is that it's ok as long as it doesn't kill anyone.  I laugh at that statement. Speed scripts and jumping scripts are total cheats but they don't kill anyone. Maybe we should allow those. I never said "you suck if you use scripts". I said "you need them to play as well as the rest of us" and that's still my opinion. Auto reload is lame and should be considered a cheat no matter how you use it. Rocket jump scripts should be considered a cheat no matter how you use it.
From what I've heard from most of you, you all found some things just too hard so you went for the easy way out (scripts). Some people just give up easier than others I guess. If the game was meant to be played with all those scripts, don't you think they would have been added into one of the recent patches to latch on to your config?
Many scripts, addons, and helpers are illegal here at TheVille and some are frowned upon. Hmmmm I wonder why?. . . . .
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Greebo
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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this has nothing to do with the murder reference. since when has murder been accepted and morally right for thousands of years? it hasn't! people may have gotten away with it, but it has never been morally right. scripts are accepted by some and not by others. plus murder is real life, this is just a freaking game.
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That wasn't the point of my murder reference.
The point was that just cos something has been done for ages doesn't make it automatically right
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anyhow...what if i just had my reload bound to the same keys as walking. or even reload bound to key close to my walking keys. are those instances ok? or are they lame? or are they just being smart and using your keys as effectively as possible by not wasting action?
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No binding the walking/reload to one key is being lame - if you don't have a keyboard setup where the main keys (movement, reload etc) are easy to hand, then you aren't using the keyboard right - having them close together is efficient keyboard usage.
It's not being smart to bind things together - it's f*cking lazy.
[edited to correct typo and add:]
Essentially a script bind is getting the computer to do it for you....now what does this remind me of.....oh yeah!
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