[Kjeldorian Royal Guard 42]

[Shovel me Silly]

In DOD there aren't that many things that will give you an advantage over someone. There is stopsound, which so many people use that it usually isn't an advantage. I disabled mouse acceleration, and honestly I couldn't tell a difference. I have done everything I can to maximize my fps on my laptop.

These things don't give you a huge advantage over someone. When you see somebody you still have to be quicker than him and land shots on him before he does that to you.

I don't think its very fair of you to generalize people who play in leagues and say that they have an inflated ego. I had an inflated ego well before I ever joined a clan.

[clone rizzo]

Remember, its not the people who tweak their rates that are exploiting... technically its the people that use default or 56k modem rates and run around with smgs being impossible to hit that are the ones "exploiting." That's why the CAL rule sets minimum values. Which, as ten yard pointed out, most general players have never heard of or care about.

cl_updaterate 40
cl_cmdrate 101
cl_rate 20000

is what i use pretty much all the time on my standard broadband connection
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[Kjeldorian Royal Guard 42]

Paddy didn't generalize, he used the word "some". And he's right. Those are the people who give leagues a bad name. No they are not the majority and they do not represent the entire league gaming community. He knows that and I am sure the majority of people here know that.

The things you described are pretty general Shovel. That's not what I was talking about. I'm talking about extremely intricately designed scripts which do things you could not possibly do everytime on a regular basis.

Example: A friend of mine just bought HL2 2 days ago. We were playing last night and he was detonating grenades in my face over and over by shooting them at me with his grav gun. It is possible to do that but he was doing it fast and everytime. I asked him what was up and he explained what he had done. He created a script that does the following all at the touch of one button;

1. Throw Grenade
2. Select Grav Gun
3. Grab grenade with grav

I can do it manually but that takes me 3 buttons (stock) and you simply can not do it effectively and continuosly during a fight unless it's scripted to 1 button and instantanious. I watched him do it and it was one fluid movement, fast, everytime, never missing a beat. It took the human error factor out of the equation. That's not adjusting the game to fit you or your playing style. That is purely attempting to gain an advantage over your opponent by manipulating code.

He runs a multitude of scripts like this, not just the one. That gives him an unfair advantage over his opponents who have no idea what that crap is because it's not in the owner's manual. Where does he play? Pubs. No leagues at all. Why does he like to beat up on pub people? Cause he is a dork and it makes him laugh. At least that is what I told him. He needs to get a life.

Some people just take this game seriously and some just like to play it. For those who just like to play, there is the stock config. For those who take it seriously, there are multitudes of code changes out there to enhance your playing level. Point is, why do some of these "serious" people prefer to play with non serious players on pub servers? Got me. I'm not serious about the game, I just like to play.

Basic changes are just that. Adjusting the game to you. I like my reload on my mouse, some like it on a key. Beyond that, there are some seriously questionable things you can do to unlevel the playing field.

In the end, it doesn't matter either way. Because no one will ever agree on this subject. Never have, never will.


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[Mulder]

What about the knife hax you used to use kjel, that certainly gave you an advantage


Thanks for the tips on rate guys.
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[Blown]

woohoo, scripts debate.


Runs away fast.


As for settings, I bet most ppl dont even know that thier settings are screwed up, and for them to have low settings like that also would create problems for them too. Ive messed around with low rate/cmdrate etc settings and it really screws with your accuracy also, not only others ability to hit you. You can actually set some of them to make it look like your floating around. Then again, we could set it to restrict rates to 5000 as a minimum.

[Ten]

Hrm, well it's not really a matter of Ferraris vs. Ford Escorts. If you're on 56K, the default rate settings are geared properly for your metaphorical car. But if you've got broadband it's not, it's not that you have an advantage or anything, you're just sending and receiving the proper signals to and from the server.

But despite everything, 56K is an impediment.

Other than that, there's nothing that clan players can use, no models, alternative scope sprites, sounds or anything. Entirely stock except for crosshairs. Adjusting your rates to suit your connection does a service for yourself and everyone you're playing against.

And 20000 is the max, but 25000 are the official LAN rates on LAN configs. I was using 35 101 20000 but now I'm trying 101 101 20000 and seeing how it works for me.

... And you don't need to be serious/omfgleet player to plug three commands into your console. If you guys are directing those comments at me that's pretty weak.

[Kahlan Amnell]

I played with dial-up... well, I tried to play with dial-up... granted my modem sucked major monkey balls, but I don't know how it is possible... especially if you learned on cable... don't want to do that again...
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[KopiKat]

Am I a haxX0r if i set cl_gibcount to 1000000?

Cuz i always do that....

-KK
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[Kjeldorian Royal Guard 42]

Everyone say it with me, "Don't take it so personally".

If I wanted to flame someone, I would do it and not hide it. Paddy was too general, I'm too personal. Poopy! We are just talking. It's what we do here. Nothing like a good juicy topic to get people talking. It's all fun until someone takes it personally.

Actually, I commended you for making this post you buttnugget. I thought it was a cool thing to do. Informative and it helps everyone.

It just boggles me how far some people dive into these games to get every last possible bit of juice they can to gain an advantage. Anyone who thinks people do not do that is simply unaware. It's pretty colors and guns to some and it's 0 & 1's to some. That's just how it is.

You made a great point here Ten. The fact that people get away with far more questionable "tweaks" in pubs than they would in some leagues. I find it irritating that people can't use most of this crap against the professionals in leagues so instead, choose to use them on unsuspecting noobies.

Nothing I said was directed towards you at all Ten or anyone for that matter except for when I commended you. Well, ok I called you a buttnugget just now but that's out of love you buttnugget.


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[Ten]

Heh, yus. I didn't think you were but I was baffled how we got on the subject of elitism. Yus.

[Paddyjack]

That script story about the grav gun looks very similar to that infamous demoman script prior 1.5
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Rock2..... JUST SAY NO!!!!!

[Chen Kenichi]

DET DET DET
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[Paradise Lost]

I'm more or less forced to use crappy rates up here at school.
Even though we're supposedly on a T-1 line, if I don't use extremely
low rates (which makes no sense if we're really on this T-1 Line), I LAG like
MAD. It's ridiculous. At home I was using rates of more than 15000, up
here, I'm lucky to see smooth play with rates over 4000.
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Spoiled Milk, the other white meat.

[xXBatmanXx]

80
80
20000

Seemed to work a lot better.
The people with a little higher ping (125+) seemed to jump around a bit, but other than that.....I seemed to get a lot more hits.

Or it was just from my actually getting a good nights sleep and eating breakfast! eheheheh

I had the top score on Axis on Flash - personal best of 50 kills....so I can't complain I guess.