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Lhiannan_Shee
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| -=Reaper_Man=- wrote: | | Lhiannan_Shee wrote: | | Wow, that is awesome. Congratulations. Sucks that the drinking age in the usa is 21... I think it's the silliest thing ever. |
You must know different under-21 year olds than me. I think it makes perfect sense, there's a lot of idiots around. |
There's a lot of idiots over 21 as well.... it's not like when people hit 21 they magically grow up and stop being morons. If anything, the age limit stunts peoples growth. Canadian 18-20 year olds seem to have more life knowledge, experience, and also overall maturity than many of the American teens I know.... and I think it relates to our drinking age. Of course, this is just my own personal observation. There are always exceptions to every rule.
In Europe, and many other countries, they have drinking ages that aren't really enforced at all, and there really hasn't been any negative effects at all either. Sure, there's a decline in deaths of people between 18-20 in alcohol related deaths, but it also increases the deaths related to alcohol in people who are 21. Seems to be that the drinking age being at 21 is pretty much pointless to me.
In Canada, where I live, the drinking age is 18. Sure, you have lots of retarded 18 year olds at the bars, but you get tired of it sooner... by the time I was 21, I was tired of the bar scene anyway. I think it helps people mature a little quicker. Plus, being of legal age at 18 takes away the thrill of sneaking alcohol, fake ids and sneaking into bars, etc. Of course, maybe it makes you just do it younger..... still, you grow out of it quicker, and I do think it matures a person.
At 18 you are considered an "adult". You can vote to decide your country's fate, you are old enough to join the military and die for your country, you can buy ciggs/porn... but why the heck should it be illegal to enjoy a cold beer, or go to a bar/club?
They say we live in a free country..... I beg to differ. Sure, we have it better than a lot of countries, but we are a far way from being really free.
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| Lhiannan_Shee wrote: | | -=Reaper_Man=- wrote: | | Lhiannan_Shee wrote: | | Wow, that is awesome. Congratulations. Sucks that the drinking age in the usa is 21... I think it's the silliest thing ever. |
You must know different under-21 year olds than me. I think it makes perfect sense, there's a lot of idiots around. |
There's a lot of idiots over 21 as well.... it's not like when people hit 21 they magically grow up and stop being morons. If anything, the age limit stunts peoples growth. Canadian 18-20 year olds seem to have more life knowledge, experience, and also overall maturity than many of the American teens I know.... and I think it relates to our drinking age. Of course, this is just my own personal observation. There are always exceptions to every rule.
In Europe, and many other countries, they have drinking ages that aren't really enforced at all, and there really hasn't been any negative effects at all either. Sure, there's a decline in deaths of people between 18-20 in alcohol related deaths, but it also increases the deaths related to alcohol in people who are 21. Seems to be that the drinking age being at 21 is pretty much pointless to me.
In Canada, where I live, the drinking age is 18. Sure, you have lots of retarded 18 year olds at the bars, but you get tired of it sooner... by the time I was 21, I was tired of the bar scene anyway. I think it helps people mature a little quicker. Plus, being of legal age at 18 takes away the thrill of sneaking alcohol, fake ids and sneaking into bars, etc. Of course, maybe it makes you just do it younger..... still, you grow out of it quicker, and I do think it matures a person.
At 18 you are considered an "adult". You can vote to decide your country's fate, you are old enough to join the military and die for your country, you can buy ciggs/porn... but why the heck should it be illegal to enjoy a cold beer, or go to a bar/club?
They say we live in a free country..... I beg to differ. Sure, we have it better than a lot of countries, but we are a far way from being really free. |
but america is also filled with the most idiots and arseholes in the world. 
congarats on winning all that stuff.
so what was that question you got?
some of those radio question ithngs are pointless with the internet, unless you have to be a realy early caller to get it.
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im only going to post once on this topic of drinking age, hopefully ill be able to keep my promise, but heres my two cents.
i truly dont get the fact that you can go off to war and shot and kill someone for your country but you cant have a drink before 21. this maybe because most of my family was in the military at some point but it just doesnt make sense to me, and with the different agencies knit picking every little thing about our societies faults i will tell you one thing i give them the one finger solute. anyways im done now cause if i dont stop now your going to get a long arse post on what i think is wrong with everything, and everyone knows you dont want that
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We'll what is the purpose of drinking? Fighing for your country and voting have purposes, but what does drinking do other than cause people to crash cars and do strange things?
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Lhiannan_Shee
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| Stevo wrote: | | We'll what is the purpose of drinking? Fighing for your country and voting have purposes, but what does drinking do other than cause people to crash cars and do strange things? |
What good is playing violent video games? fast food?ciggerettes? what good is nail polish? You could ask that question about thousands of things. Alcohol has a lot more beneficial factors than SOOOOOO many completely legal things.
Uhmm, well 1 or 2 glasses of beer or red wine a day actually has very positive effects on the body/heart. When not abused, alcohol is actually extremely beneficial.
"I drink so that I can talk to assholes. This includes myself" -quote by James Douglas Morrison
People have been drinking alcohol since... well, I have no clue how long, but definately thousands of years before the birth of christ. It's sort of a tradition, comfort thing. It also makes people feel good. Well, in moderation of course. When anything is abused, it creates problems. Alcohol lowers inhabitions, and eases anxiety. Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense, and a lot of people have died/harmed themselves by drinking.... but seriously.... I think that with all the government restrictions on various things, that they have only excellerated problems.
| 5th GHG E.G. Mine wrote: | | If people don't like the drinking age, tell them to either write their Congressional representative, run for Congress when they're able, or to shut up and quit their whining that things aren't their way. |
Uhhmm, in my country the drinking age is 18... so why would I do any of that? What's wrong w/ expressing my opinion? That is hardly the same thing as "whining." Expressing opinions and talking about things is the first step to real change. If no one discussed things, things would NEVER change. Your comment was quite ignorant, Mine.
I have strong views about marijuana laws, which is why I do my part by supporting Canada's Green Party. I also believe that talking about issues, and not hiding them, also helps the cause. Now, alcohol I don't feel as strongly about, but... hey, I'm not one to back down from expressing my opinion -- even if it's not always agreed upon. If you have problems with people talking/chatting about things.... don't listen.
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| 5th GHG E.G. Mine wrote: | If people don't like the drinking age, tell them to either write their Congressional representative, run for Congress when they're able, or to shut up and quit their whining that things aren't their way.
Now, for custom-built. Http://www.cyberpowerinc.com and http://www.rcscomputersales.com (where I got mine built) are fairly good to build for fairly cheap.
More known, and usually more expensive ones, are Voodoo PC, Falcon Northwest, and Alienware. (Clicky each for links to their websites). |
Thanks for the links. I'm going to go Athlon64, and probably whatever the hottest ATI video card is out at the time. The advice I've been given is to wait until PCIe soundcards start showing up, since those are the next important thing to high-end gaming.
The question that I was asked, was to name the crime that some guy named Lawrence Simon was the first to commit.
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CONGRATS MAN ON THE GOOD FORTUNE...im taking you to the boats down in Vicksburg hell we are going to Vegas and going all out...LET IT RIDE BABY...
Here is something you may or may not know the U.S. government does not regulate the drinking age in this country...well not directly...they merely suggest it should be 21. In fact the states own the power to put the drinking age at whatever they want (same with drivers age as well), but the federal government will withhold money from the state until said state goes by its suggestion. So technically its no the federal governments fault but the states for bending in. Louisana had 18 for a very long time until the U.S. government withheld federal money to help with roads and various other transporation things.
Also there have been several studies on drinking at various ages and they all came back saying the samething. There is some development between the ages of 18 and 21 that allows the human body to make more rational choices while under the influence. I am not saying it was a great amount more rational but it was more rational. It all stems back to a development issue...also it stems back to religious groups wanting it higher as well but that is another discussion for another day.
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well sense stevo asked a question towards my post im only going to answer it
the purpose for my arguement was that the government thinks your wo/man enough to go off and fight and kill people but when you come home you cant drink(granted usually the term of service is 5 yrs right?(at least for my friend in the marines it is)). that was my arguement stevo was that i was only bringing up the point that your man enough to shot to kill but not to share a beer with friends. although i myself do not drink because alcoholism is so big on both sides of my family and it killed my uncle (alcohol posioning) that i wont drink unless its a special occasion and even then not much but i do not agree with drinking being at the age of 21
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Alright, I wasn't going to comment, but I need to. I agree with Speaker... But I don't think the age limitation being "lifted" would be a good thing. Those who have grown up without an age limitation, are accustomed to alcohol, in that they won't go out to get drunk because they can, because they have always been able to. (Now I am not saying all, but in general). I think, (see that qualifier Rebel), that having that age restriction is what causes most to rebel against it, to defy authority. And since these same people are getting drunk, they are more than likely not going to be obeying every law...
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yay i won 30 bucks off a scratch ticket! 
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| Lhiannan_Shee wrote: | | 5th GHG E.G. Mine wrote: | | If people don't like the drinking age, tell them to either write their Congressional representative, run for Congress when they're able, or to shut up and quit their whining that things aren't their way. |
Uhhmm, in my country the drinking age is 18... so why would I do any of that? What's wrong w/ expressing my opinion? That is hardly the same thing as "whining." Expressing opinions and talking about things is the first step to real change. If no one discussed things, things would NEVER change. Your comment was quite ignorant, Mine.
I have strong views about marijuana laws, which is why I do my part by supporting Canada's Green Party. I also believe that talking about issues, and not hiding them, also helps the cause. Now, alcohol I don't feel as strongly about, but... hey, I'm not one to back down from expressing my opinion -- even if it's not always agreed upon. If you have problems with people talking/chatting about things.... don't listen. |
Lhiannan_Shee, if my comments came off as singling your comments out, I apologize. However, since I did not use your name or attempt to make any specific reference to your personal opinion, I do not believe I was trying for that and do not understand how you seem to have taken my general comments as a personal attack. I also was not commenting on Canada's drinking laws. I was commenting on people of my age and my country.
My comment was a comment aimed at a "general" populous, caused by the amount of underage drinking I know of compounded by the amount that such people have complained about said laws. Add in the fact that many people tend to take drinking alcohol to an idiotic extreme. Example: Just a few weeks ago, I was talking online with a friend who told me she was hospitalized for alcohol poisoning. An even more interesting point is how no one really commented on the fact of a hypothetical "wild womanizing." Or the fact that sex outside of marriage is a misdemeanor according to Georgian law, as far as I know of (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/cgi-bin/gl_codes_detail.pl?code=16-6-18). Now let's quit taking this completely off of the topic.
| -=Reaper_Man=- wrote: | Thanks for the links. I'm going to go Athlon64, and probably whatever the hottest ATI video card is out at the time. The advice I've been given is to wait until PCIe soundcards start showing up, since those are the next important thing to high-end gaming.
The question that I was asked, was to name the crime that some guy named Lawrence Simon was the first to commit. |
In various magazines I read relating to computer components and such, Athlon64's have tested better than Intel's for gaming, but not by much. Either one should really be fine, but Athlon's tend to handle overclocking much better, or so I hear. ATI, in my opinion, has been better than Nvidia since the 9600's and above. ATI even has a test on its video cards at 130 degrees Fahrenheit. Now that's a test. Also waiting for PCIe is probably a good idea, considering how new the technology is, as well as its future usability. I'm not such that a PCIe sound card would matter much over a PCI one, but I'm not too knowledgable in that subject so don't take my word for it. Oh, and you're welcome (almost forgot that).
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| 5th GHG E.G. Mine wrote: | | -=Reaper_Man=- wrote: | Thanks for the links. I'm going to go Athlon64, and probably whatever the hottest ATI video card is out at the time. The advice I've been given is to wait until PCIe soundcards start showing up, since those are the next important thing to high-end gaming.
The question that I was asked, was to name the crime that some guy named Lawrence Simon was the first to commit. |
In various magazines I read relating to computer components and such, Athlon64's have tested better than Intel's for gaming, but not by much. Either one should really be fine, but Athlon's tend to handle overclocking much better, or so I hear. ATI, in my opinion, has been better than Nvidia since the 9600's and above. ATI even has a test on its video cards at 130 degrees Fahrenheit. Now that's a test. Also waiting for PCIe is probably a good idea, considering how new the technology is, as well as its future usability. I'm not such that a PCIe sound card would matter much over a PCI one, but I'm not too knowledgable in that subject so don't take my word for it. Oh, and you're welcome (almost forgot that). |
It's not so much that PCIe sound cards are going to be "OMG TIS SOUND CRD PWNZ!!1!1", but that it is going to be the signal that PCIe is "where it's at", and that more than just video cards are going to jump on the bus. Hopefully, motherboards will realize this, because the most I've seen on a mobo is 3. And I have 7 expansion slots in my case.
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