[Secret Agent Man]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/05/russia.school/index.html

this is just sad.

You see, this is what terrorism is, this is what we are fighting against.

Dont ignore the threat and say there isnt any.
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[The Nanite]

I don't think many people would say it doesn't exist. I grew up in Germany in the early 80s when terrorism was a fact of daily life. It's just most people in this country had very little exposure to it.
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[Ranger<3]

Well Seeing that things like this have been around for thousands of years.

USA is just so new. And we've done and exellent job at keeping it out of our country...

Very Sad to see something like this happen. Worst of all, they are mostly kids.
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[ROOFCUTTER]

It is a twisted and brutal mind that would fire on Kids running away. No mercy or forgiveness was given by the kidnappers. So none should be given to the ones responsible for these activities.
I cannot even conceive how they would think that this would help their cause. It only makes everyone determined to fight and destroy the people who are responsible.

They lost the Vote and they do this, bring two airplanes down, blow up a market, Kill hundreds of kids, it's time for them to go, make them just another bloody footnote in history.
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[Lhiannan_Shee]

The world is a crazy place. It makes me sad. It's not just the terrorism (which is extremely horrible itself), but the way society is in general. The world is falling apart... Stuff like this keeps happening. Things, and people, need to change, yet I really don't see us evolving.

I've been seriously debating going to live in a hippy commune somewhere... just to escape.
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[Stevo]

It's sad the way some people view human lives....
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[KopiKat]

Regardless of how much of these terrorist attacks make you think the world is falling apart, the world really isn't falling apart. Back in the 70's the world was falling apart. We were on the brink of nuclear annihilation, AIDS was spreading all over the place without anyone even realizing it, people were being killed by the millions in horrendous civil wars in south america, africa, and russia, the air was much more polluted and the environment was much more contaminated, drugs were far more rampant, and crime was raging throughout many cities in the US.

Now lets take a quantum leap forward to today: While there are alot of terrorists, they are slowly, but surely, being destroyed and demoralized. The threat of a nuclear holocaust, while still present, is much reduced. AIDS has been recognized, and it is spreading much less than it was, and cures are slowly being pioneered. As for the civil wars in South America, Africa, and Russia, they for the most part are still going on, but nowhere near in the same frequency or ferociousness as they had been. The air is far cleaner than it used to be, the ozone hole isn't getting any bigger, and the ground and water supplies are slowly, but surely, getting cleaner and fresher. Most drugs(excluding Marijuana) are on the decline, and Gruff the Crime Dog really has taken a huge bite out of crime everywhere.

I would say that the world is much better off than it had been more than 30 years ago.

However these terrorists only desire to turn the world into a more evil and corrupt place, by any means they can. For this, I'm afraid to say, the best option is to adopt their own policy on human life, and ruthlessly exterminate them. It's cruel, yes, but these people only speak one language: death. We must learn to speak this language in order to communicate effectively with them, because if we try to negotiate in our own language of peace, that will only further feed their desire to destroy us.

-KK
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[Smegma]

man it just makes my blood boil to see that shit. It takes true cowards to do that to children. It sucks that this happened but unlike north america the russians will deal with these bastards. Doubt there will be any "trial". Justice will be swift
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[ROOFCUTTER]

[Lhiannan_Shee]

The terrorist attacks aren't the only thing that make me think the world is falling apart. Things like this have been going on... forever.

Is it not sad that after years and years and years of this crap, that it is still happening? You would think that as a nation, we would learn from the past, mistakes, etc.... You say we are making progress, however, I really don't see any progress. We're in the same place as we've always been. We're all human, and yet can't get along w/ each other. Environmentally, we're destroying our planet at astonishing rates. There are other options out there, but the governments arent investing in them... they like all the pretty money theyre making from oil and arent thinking about our future. You talk about environmental stats, etc... but where is the proof? Holes in the ozone are always being discovered, and miraculously dissapear, I don't think it's any indication that things are getting any better. So many people in this world are still living in poverty. The rich are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer.

If aliens do exist... and they saw the way humans are... there is no way they would contact us. We're a hostile planet and can't even get along w/ each other. We are not an evolved civilization.

People are selfish by nature, and that is only getting worse and worse. We've built these horrible cement jungles, and are still cutting down more trees than we can grow back. The government says that killing is a sin, yet they kill even innocent people, drop bombs everywhere... what kind of an example is that? We definately are not a peace loving nation.
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[Lhiannan_Shee]

uhh, how can you seriously say that the only way to eliminate terrorism is to kill them? How many more innocents need to die? We kill these people, their families grow up to despise our country more and more... and we get more and more terrorists. That solves no problem! With that solution, the whole planet would be destroyed by fighting and terrorism.

I think education is the key. You catch more flies w/ sugar than vinegar.
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[KopiKat]

I would attribute humanities selfishness to evolution. I am not ashamed of it, infact I embrace it, it is the way we have survived for close to one hundred thousand years, and it seems to work. Thankfully, since we are more advanced, technologically, than we were then, we are better able to grapple with this selfishness, and cooler minds can prevail, mostly because we arent struggling just to eat every day.

As for catching more flies with sugar than vinegar, i'm afraid to say that it doesn't work like that with these people. We give them what they want, and they still hate us, and try to take even more. This is because they, like the rest of us, are for the most part very selfish, its human nature.

Selfishness is a part of all of us, its inherent in our nature, and everyone of us is not immune to any extent. We must simply learn to accept it, and try to cope with what we are given.

I will now speak for my own selfishness and say this: I wish to live and see my children live, and therefore I will do all that I can to eradicate any threat to them and me before it can materialize.

That is my reasoning.

-KK
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[kazebari?]

This entire thread is tl;dr.

[Lhiannan_Shee]

Killing off the present terrorists really does not do anything to ensure the future lives of any of our children. In fact, I believe it puts them in further detriment. Unless you'd like to go ahead and kill whole nations of people to prevent further generations children from growing up...... Then, where does it end? Mass slaughters? The rest of the world would hate our nation even more, and thus the cycle continues.

Becoming exactly like them is not the answer.

True, these people are very set in their ways... but young minds can be changed. That's why education and compassion are so important.

Our selfishness is not going to help us survive, in the end, I believe, that it is what will kill us as a race. The "get them before they get you" philosophy just doesn't work... because then there'll be noone left to do anything... no planet.
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[ROOFCUTTER]

Kill the adults and teach the children. That is the idea.
First you get rid of the trouble makers then teach the kids a new way of life. If you teach hate you will grow up hate. If you teach science and art and law and order you will reap positive benifits.
I dont think anyone is arguing that we could of done a better job of that in the last 50 years. Regardless of why.

Everyone needs to have a bright future with hope. There will always be poor, middle and upper classes. But everyone in all classes needs access to the other classes throught hard work or no work. Then the radical groups that spring up to grap the hearts and minds of the masses will have a harder time getting anyone to bomb a plane.

Lhiannan we all hope that we move in the direction you speak of. No one wants to kill just anyone. Killing or inprisoning the ones that are leading these movements though is what needs to be done.
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