[Vicoden]

Consider the people around you? laugh, thats easy for a non-smoker to say. I would like to know the % of people in this country that consider the people around them. Its sure not the guy that cut me off this morning then drove 5 mph under the speed limit, its not my neighbor next door who cuts his grass, throwing it right into my flowerbed instead of cutting the other direction, and its certainly not the people across the street who shoot fireworks off at all hours of the night. BUT its easy to blame the smoker and tell them to be considerate because there is already a huge bandwagon going on for that. It's a big fricken planet so find some "fresh" air somewhere else, and consider the smokers around you and the strain your puting on their ears with your bitching. When I see some huge fat person, I don't yell out "HEY!! put the fork down!!!" even though their straining the hell out of my eyes, and making me lose my fat induced lunch from Mc Donalds.

People have a right to smoke where and when they want to, till big government steps in with all their wisdom and makes a law about it. But, don't worry, it won't go away. Gov't makes way too much money off cigarettes to get rid of them completely. Not to mention, its one of the few things that for the most part are still made in this country.

Good post Jack, I agree with alot of what you said. Besides after a huge steak dinner, nothiing is better than a big fat cigarette. If you ask me, you non-smokers are missing out. You never know when your going to go, thats what makes life exciting. My mom writes a nutritional magazine, so believe me I know all about the bad effects of smoking. But you never know when your life is going to end, you can worry all the time about exercise and getting all your daily vitamins, and then get run over by a bus driven by a guy who smokes 2 packs a day who eats nothing but steak. I guess you just have to enjoy every day you got to the fullest, wether it be smoking or riding your mountain bike.

[Stevo]

Like I said it is up to you. You can justify it however you want, there's no need to prove anything. The topic says smoking is bad for you and it's true. It takes off 10 years of your life according to the article.

And how does being cut off, grass being thrown on your garden, and looking at a fat person effect your health?
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[Vicoden]

It raises my blood pressure.

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I don't know about "missing out" on anything vicoden. Being around smokers always makes my eyes water and turn red, causes me to cough, smells extremely bad, and makes me want to leave the area as quickly as possible. Whenever I know I'm going to come close to a smoking person, I always hold my breath until I'm past them. If thats the kind of things I'm missing out on, then you can keep your cigs, and I'll keep my money and buy something neat-o-cool.

It's easy for a non-smoker to say "consider the people around you"? Does that imply that smokers have a harder time saying that? How do you know that the person that cut you off or the fat woman at McDonalds don't smoke either? Just because some people can't respect you, doesn't mean that it makes it okay for you to do the same in return. Some people will be asses, but you don't have to be one of them. You're not some special person who alone has to put up with slow, idiotic drivers, inconsiderate neighbors, and ugly, fat people that popluate America. Of course I don't expect you to be so polite as to never smoke a cig in the proximity of a non-smoker, but it is nice when a person will find a smoking section, go outside, or at least check that the people they're sitting next too won't be bothered before lighting up a cig.

[edit] You never know when you're going to go...so why bother stop smoking if you might just get run over by a car...wow...that alone has to be one of the stupidest statements I've ever read. You've just given people a reason to gorge themselves on fatty fast-food, become living fat giants that can barely move an arm and leg at the same time without dying, drink alcohol till they puke then try and drive home, race their friend/s down public roadways, become a couch/computer potato and never see the sun, join dangerous gangs, be gothic and cut themselves, smoke weed, be coked up druggies, as well as any other activity they enjoy that could be labled as "dangerous". I mean, hey, they might be struck dead by lightning the next day, so why bother exercising and being skinny when you can sit and eat a bunch of great tasting food? You just said in your previous post how you were annoyed that a fat person was shoving food down their throat, being inconsiderate to you because their appearance was vile. Others have been using the % of obese people in our country as an example of "true" problems in America. They enjoy what they're doing, so why not just leave them alone? They have just as many excuses to put their life at risk because of an obsession as you do. We make a ton of money off of fast food anyway. They're a benefit to American economy.

I'm not telling you to quit smoking (though I think it would be better if you did). However, pretty much the only thing left to support your arguements for smoking is the fact that you like to. I can't say anything more on the subject unless you decide to raise a new point.
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Ill agree with a few of your points Vicoden, but when my innocent kids have to put up with nasty smoke then thats where I draw the line. Grass in your flowerbeds, noisy neighbors arent exactly hazardous to your health, yet second hand smoke to my children is. I never smoked in the car, never in the house, and never in thier presence. Your right though, some ppl have no respect of others whether it be smoking or just being a dumb ass in general. LOL Funny though, I've smoked for quite a few yrs now and laws have never bothered me like some ppl seem to get all up tight about. I guess its alright though to be an ass since the next person was, heck we should just all live life that way.

[Stevo]

[Vicoden]

I wish more of you non-smokers could hold your breath when you walk by, that would be great!!!

V.P if you could take what I said just alittle more out of context, that would be GREAT!!

I didn't say do whatever you want as long as your happy. I didn't say I complain OUT LOUD about a fat person in my line of sight, In fact I think I said " I don't yell out, Hey put the fork down".....but whatever, taking things out of context is how you argue just about every topic on this board. This topic was about smoking cigarettes, which is a legal activity. Never did I post that its A-OK to smoke weed, do coke, cut your arms or any other crap you posted. If you want to do all those activities because they make you happy, I guess go ahead. But thats not what this topic is about, its about smoking cigarettes.

The beginning of my post was directed at stevo, at his comment about smokers being more considerate, and I simply pointed out that we shouldn't have to be. Did I say that I walk past a baby carriage and blow smoke in it?? No, I don't believe I did. Its just that when the topic of smoking comes up, everyone jumps on the bandwagon for us to be more CONSIDERATE. The guy who cut me off, very well could have been a smoker, THAT WAS NOT THE POINT. The point was, that he was inconsiderate for cutting me off, who knows maybe he was too busy lighting up to look both ways. I was simply pointing out people are inconsiderate all the time, and don't get the public flogging that smokers do. Again, maybe read alittle closer, 2 or 3 times if you must, so you can get the point I am expressing. Maybe I wasn't being clear enough in my last post, I will try harder on future posts.

Does there need to be any other reason for my arguement on smoking besides I like it? I wouldn't think so. I enjoy it, thats pretty much the only arguement I need. If your looking for a top ten list, I don't have one for ya.

P.S. Alot of my first post was me being alittle sarcastic with alittle humor, Never said, this is how I act. I'm a very considerate person, more than most. But since I get labeled as a smoker, I get the same rep as all of them, which isn't fair but thats the price I pay. No matter what us smokers do, no matter how considerate we try to be, you guys will always bitch about something.

[Stevo]

I have a question...


Which would you prefer?

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no offense stevo, but i would have to say ill choose the latter. im not gonna bring up pictures of people getting hit by cars and say " which do you prefer." and i guarantee you will avoid looking like that by not driving. im not gonna bring up a picture of a fat persons heart and say, which do you prefer.

i agree with alot of what vicoden is saying. I understand exactly how it feels to be labeled as a bad person by smoking. im a very considerate smoker. hell, when im in the SMOKING section at a restaurant, if someone has a problem i will get up and go out side. i dont mind. i understand it bothers people. i have done it before, i will put myself at an inconvenience for a non smoker. I understand how they feel completely. But when have you ever seen someone who doesnt smoke say "hey, its cool if you smoke in the non smoking section, i dont mind". thats right, you never do.

so before you point the finger at us smokers for being inconsiderate, look at the inconvenience you are putting us in. i pay 425 for a pack of my marlboro reds, only to hear some of you non smokers b*tch and me, even when im in a smoking section. but even so, i will do the right thing and get up and move.

so put me in an even more inconvenience, i dont care, unlike you, i will grin and bear it. i am a smoker, therefore i smoke, and noone can tell me to do otherwise.
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Im glad this is not a gun conversation...

I think the goverment and the state goverment are taxing the pee waddleing poop out of them to cover the cost of health care it pays to take care of long term smokers.

So making the smoker pay for his health needs later in life is better than all of us paying.
But you know how the goverment works...It will spend the money on itself and when its your time and need it the money will all be gone
But the well off wont have to worry about that money, Their health benefits will let them die at least comfortable with their morphine pills and weak gasps at the oxygen bottle. While the others will die with little help drowning within their own bodies.

tough luck buddy.


But your or anyone has the right to smoke and should not be infringed on...unless its done where others have to deal with it too. Maybe if you did not exhale
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[Stevo]

[JtH]

all im trying to say is, if you dont like smoking than fine, dont support it, but at least support our right to smoke if we choose to.

i dont remember who said it but, it went something like " i may not support what you say, but i support your right to say it."

thats all im trying to get across on the smoking issue. if you dont like it, fine i support your right not to like it. i honsetly understand the reasons why you may not like it. but if it came down to it, i would like to see non smokers vote to keep cigarettes legal, because its our right to smoke if we choose to do so.

thats all i am trying to say on the issue.
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[Violent Pacifist]

Wow vicoden. Not to be mean or anything, but can you take my post any more out of context? Perhaps you should reread through what you said, what I said, and then make another conclusion about my post. If you still feel the same, I'll break some things down for you here.

[Stevo]