The Avalanche Stacking Problem

Ten · Registered User Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 636

You guys confuse the hell out of me.

Let's make up an imaginary game. Say there are 400 kills amongst 20 players.

If there are 400 kills, how many deaths are there?

A: 400

If everyone had the exact same skill, they'd end up with exactly a 1:00 K D. There's no way every player can have a positive K D and there's no way every player can have a negative K D.

K : D is a bell curve. 1.00 is in the middle where it peaks - and where most players lie. In this case, if there is a player with a .20 K D, there is a player with a 1.80 K D.

I don't think anyone's terrible enough to manage a .20 K D, but players with higher K D's are getting kills from players with low K D's and high K D's.

In a universe of exact mirror phenomenons - if my K D is 2.34 right now, that means (hypothetically) that there is one player to mirror me with a -1.34 K D. This OBVIOUSLY can't happen, so in other words I'm killing about 90% of the player demographic as opposed to about 50% if my skill (... or luck... or rat bastid sneakiness on Anzio... or dark corner proning skills) was half of what it is.

So in other words - kills to deaths - on a grand scale always average 1.00, I have no idea where these all negative/positive K D servers are.

Logic mang. Logic.

But K D does't dictate how good of a player you are IMO. It's definitely a good guide to measure improvement. And with that, it's better to look at your individual map K D's as opposed to looking at it collectively. But there's absolutely no way a bad player can keep up a great K D for very long unless they're doing some serious camping. Chances are - if someone has a high K D and they're not camping 24/7, they're good. Kills per minute is almost as good of a guide to determine skill.

But from my experience, the best players that I've seen can win a map, switch teams - and then that team wins the map. The also get cursed at incessantly and such. Apparently being clever and accurate is a cheap way to play.

And Mr. Dig - that's good.

Did you wall some punks by the Axis #2 flag? It's lotsa fun.

Paddyjack · Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:59 pm Post subject:

EvilGenius · Ville Supporter Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 394

Actually, the relationship is inverse. So for someone who has a .20 K/D (or 1K/5D) there's someone who has a 5K/1D or 5.00 K/D ratio.

Thus, as you have a 2.34 K/D (or 234K/100D) there is someone who has 100K/234D, or a .42 K/D ratio.
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Ten · Registered User Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 636

Well it's a good thing I don't teach math.

Shovel me Silly · Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:36 pm Post subject:

I think it is more of a bell curve than an inverse relationship. Just because of someone has a 5.0 doesn't mean the worst person on the server has to have a .2. This makes sense because when you take a sample from a random game on a random server there should be more grouped around the 1.0 and the further you get away from that the more unlikely you will see a score that is extremely high and extremely low. If someone does have a 5.0 most likely those kills would be spread throughout the other team and not just one person.

EvilGenius · Ville Supporter Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 394

Ok, I'm apparently going to beat this point to death, but it would depend on how you graph it. To get a bell curve you have number of players on the vertical (Y) axis, and K/D ratio on the horizontal (X) axis. The scale of the K/D axis would range from 0 to infinity, with 1 in the middle.

So we have 4 people on the server. 1 is 1/0, 2 are 1/1, and 1 is 0/1.

2 | ......*......
1 | *....*.....*
0 L_________
......0....1...inf.

or another hypothetical:
4 |.............*.............
3 |.............*.............
2 |.......*....*....*.......
1 | *....*....*....*....*
0 L______________
.....0...1/2...1....2....inf.

is 10 people on the server, 1 who is 0/2, 1 who is 2/0, 2 who are 2/1, 2 who are 1/2, and 2 who are 1/1, and 2 who are 2/2.

Anyways, I hope this helps someone out. If not... I'll make MSPaint diagrams and put them up!

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Violent Pacifist · Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 9:50 pm Post subject:

*does not like math*
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fixthegarand · Registered User Joined: 25 Apr 2004 Posts: 108

Yeah most people agree that 1:1 k/d is about average. 2:1 on a packed pub is very good, 3:1 or higher is superlative. However I think KPM also is a factor because theres a big difference between going 60/30 capping lots of flags and 30/15 sitting in a dark window with sniper rifles shooting people in the knees as they run by.
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