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...pr0nestars or team jumpers.

In the year I've been playing Day of Defeat there's one tactic (if it can be called such) that I haven't encountered much until the last few months...people who move to an area, prone in some dark corner, wait (and in most cases wait, and wait, and wait) kill, move, rinse, lather and repeat. In the case of some geniuses, they don't move after offing you, they just continue to camp in the same spot begging to be knifed or whacked with the sp00n of d00m.

I remember this one time playing in Kalt as an Allie that I ran into this guy proned in a dark corner of the Axis side of the sewer near the steps of the wheel house, he offed me because I couldn't see him. I continued playing, I capped the bridge a few times, tried to defend it, tried to hold the wheelhouse from the Axis, blah, blah, blah. Twenty minutes must have passed since that death in the sewers. All the while I noticed the one guy who fragged me in the sewers would occassionally make a kill in the sewers in the exact same spot.
He never moved to try and sneak behind Allied lines even though the Allied team had his team on the ropes, we had the Axis house and the Axis #2 flag, and were pushing for their last flag...he just camped there. When I died by the Axis #2 flag I checked the scores to see what this guy had been doing in the, roughly, half hour he had camped that area of the sewers...he had killed 5 people. So when I spawned, I ran back to the plaza by the Axis #2, went down their sewer entrance, didn't even bother to sneak up behind they guy, I just sprinted up beside him and stabbed him in the back.
This guy is one of the reasons I can't wait for 1.2 (aside from the new classes [bazooka class w00t!], tweaked weapons, the fixed Garand [w00t!], tweaked maps and new maps), the point of view of the proner will be lowered, and I want to see how it will affect the game of people who use this 'tactic'.

The other kind of player I have little respect for is the team jumper. We've all joined a game midmatch, saw one team was getting steam rolled, and you know when you hit auto-select that you're going to that team. When you begin to play you see why they're getting steam rolled, maybe they're just not working together as a team, maybe they're all n00bs and the other team is obviously stacked, or maybe some regs are just having a really off game (I've had more than my share), whatever it's just not pretty...you just know you're in for a looonnng match. The people I hate are the ones who switch to the winning team and make a bad situation even worse.

Case in point, tonight I joined a game mid-match, the map was dod_zalec, and the Axis team had the Allies hemmed in to their own spawn on both sides. Everyone on the Allied team had a 1:2 K: D, or close to that, with the exception of this one pubber I've never seen who was a half decent sniper. He was constantly bitching, telling people what to do, without doing much himself. Then suddenly he stopped, cos he jumped tp the Axis team, to make matters worse, two players dropped out making it even more unbalanced. I understand that everyone wants to do well, no one plays DoD to lose, or do poorly...but jumping a team just so you can be on the winning team is pathetic in my opinion. I died 8 times in a row before finally making a kill...but then I strung together three kills and took the water fountain. I managed to take the church that match, and two of my team mates each managed to take a tank, we lost the match, the Axis held on to the last tank by their spawn, but considering that we were outnumbered I thought we did pretty well.

The only time I will ever switch teams mid-match is if someone points out that the teams are unbalanced, or I notice that the teams are unbalanced. I know what it's like to play on an unbalanced team, it isn't fun. Sorry if my rant was overly long

[ROOFCUTTER]

It would seem your name is incorrect...you sound dangerous in game

I cant understand why some people cant just play what they have been dealt. It is a game and challeges are what its about.
Well said. see you in game...hopefully on the same side!
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[EvilGenius]

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lol when she said pr0nestars i thought she just messed up p0rnstars name but then i read and was like wow did i ever mess that one up...anywas i think the jumpers are the worst the pr0ne dont really do much for the game the others hurt it
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lightgamma 0. for all those pesky dark corners, nothing comes close.
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[Pornstar]

[Kjeldorian Royal Guard 42]

I camp because my FPS is so horrible in DOD. It simply doesn't allow me to run around willy nilly taking people out.

Camping in DOD is truly part of the game. It's all in how you look at it. Snipers are supposed to camp as well as MG's. You should be semi-mobile and move up here and there to camp flags and for the most part, that's your job. You help keep certain areas clear and secure while your lighter classes scout/cap the flags. MG's going Rambo really doesn't help much. Same goes for a running sniper out in the open. Your just not as efficient as you are when you go prone and secure a predefined area. A semi-mobile sniper/MG can really change the flow of any game.

I do it to help my team, not to get a good k/d ratio. My k/d ratio is always poo regardless of camping or not.
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[Simpleman]

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I remember that round MH, I died and was spectating when you knifed that guy in the back.

In order for this argument to make any sense, I think we need to separate the tactical benefits of camping from the "I'm prone in this dark corner deep in my own zone; I want to kill someone before I die plz k thx" (<--- Which is only acceptible if you get FPS like KRG ) kind of player.

Keep in mind that the reason that kid in Kalt didn't have any kills was because he was way far back in his own zone. He could have moved up, he could have shortened the envelope and actually contributed something to his team other than waiting in an area that isn't going to full of enemy activity. If you're going to be effective while camping, put up an MG in your house and stay there unless the situation really looks as if it's okay to move up (or until you have the other house). That's tactical camping. Lying in your own zone, just wishing and waiting for players that actually move around is going to make you a bad player.

Case in point: someone proning in a dark corner in the hotel in Avalanche. You're not going to last very long, you probably won't even get one extremely cheap kill. The only advantage you have is that a proned player's hitboxes are screwy.

Lately I find myself either getting pissed, being indifferent, or typing "ns" or "nn" at getting killed. If some talentless waif camps every dark corner I'll get pissed. If someone kills me where I had a chance of killing them - I'm okay with that. When someone absolutely kicks my ass I applaud them. But I have never, ever under any circumstance typed "Nice shot dood" when I get booked by a pr0nestar.

If you're a noob - get off your ass and move. Get around, learn how to control recoil without pressing z, figure out the movement penalties when moving and crouch moving, learn where chokepoints are in each map, figure out what distance you can effectively take on a K98 weilding Grenadier when you've got a Tommy without getting railed, figure out the fuse delay of a cooked nade, learn how to bank nades effectively, figure out how predictable most players actually are in DoD, learn how to control a standing BAR, learn how to wall the crap out of people and listen to them gripe about "OMG nice wallhax". But for the love of god, don't boot up DoD and go prone in a dark corner for a couple hours. You're just making cheap kills and hardly contributing to the success of your team. That's going to get you nowhere, and you're simply not going to improve as a player if you're only interested in learning the most rudimentary skills of DoD.

[Simpleman]

Yeah A gut lastnight was laughing at me because I was leading the attack as a Sniper which I capped the last 2 flags as 70% of my team was laying around waiting for people to come. My K/D ratio is 0.68 but I get alot of flag caps. Sats mean nothing to me I like to play rambo style and it pays off alot of the time. It's funny how most will push up and get to there camping spot and not move from there. Whats the point ? there are usually 2 more flags togo. 1st. thing I drop when I leave the spawn is my tent. There are times you have to sit in certain spots for a few to rid of the enemy, but after that move up and wait for them again and repeat. I play to have fun. Take Stutter for instance he does what I explained very will moves up when permitted through the sewers next you know he is capping the last flag. If I go camping I better have a fishing pool in my hand and a boat at the dock .
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[Stevo]

I don't usually complain about campers or "pronestars" in game. I think if they want to play a certain way, then let them play. If they cause my team to lose, oh well, at least we had a challenge. If this were a league or something, then it matters what the team is doing, but on a public server, why should I care who wins or loses?

I'm not saying everyone should think this. This is just my opinion on this.
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The only campers I hate are the ones who stay WAY back on a map and guard the first two flags, never even trying to move up. On ville 1 this is a huge problem, as the lack of class limits usually means that every game of flash and donner is going to go to shit because half of both teams are going to snipe in the dark windows around those areas, cutting all of the action out of the game. Same thing happens every time I play there. This "defense mode" is NOT FUN for both teams. What's infuriating and puzzling is that some of these players will actually try and tell you that they are using good strategy, even though they have been full capped once and are going to lose the game on points.

Yeah it's annoying getting shot by guys who prone in random corners, but that's part of the game unfortunately.
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