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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think that crushing the guy's car was a bit of an over-reaction, but I have absolutely no sympathy for any Iraqi who is taking advantage of the lawlessness over there for their personal gain. They are the root of all the problems over there, and they need to be taught a firm lesson. How about helping to rebuild your infrastructure instead of stealing or blowing it up?


Couldn't have said it better myself.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think that's the point, when you see crime taking place, there still is no facility or process to arrest and prosecute someone for it. The army is enforcing martial law as best they can, and crushing the car was an example.


Then I suppose instead of taking POW's we should just run them all over with tanks??
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think that's the point, when you see crime taking place, there still is no facility or process to arrest and prosecute someone for it. The army is enforcing martial law as best they can, and crushing the car was an example.


Then I suppose instead of taking POW's we should just run them all over with tanks??


Now, even people here in texas know the difference between material objects and human life. And it would be kinder to just shoot them or something.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Warhammer wrote:
I think that's the point, when you see crime taking place, there still is no facility or process to arrest and prosecute someone for it. The army is enforcing martial law as best they can, and crushing the car was an example.


Then I suppose instead of taking POW's we should just run them all over with tanks??


Now, even people here in texas know the difference between material objects and human life. And it would be kinder to just shoot them or something.


So when someone gets caught stealing wood in Texas the penalty is having their car crushed by a tank??
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm...hey cobra wheres your car..? meet me at dod_donner i have a tank waiting in the middle of the map for you
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well frankly I thought it was a little weak...Come on this is an american patrol..where is the air support... bring on the smoking hole

you know they shoot looters in some situations.


It was bad pr to say the least.

But we dont have enough information...we are dealing with 18 year old kids....come on look around you...we all know someone who would do that here let alone over there...

war is hell and it just aint from the bombs...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes. and if Sadam caught them stealing anything they along with there families would have been killed a slow and painful death and buried in some unmarked mass grave in the desert.

I support our troops, and truly do not know how I would react in a situation such as that, knowing that at any given time you could loose your life. The stress must be tremendous.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with jfet here this is a gross miss use of power and when this gets circulated more there will be a little hell to pay if not all ready. Though what gets me is that they laugh about it this upsets me. Sure there had to be other methods arresting them...taking them as prisoner something else rather than destroying the car. Now they have destroyed this mans car...he is going to be upset...he is going to tell everyone else what happend (perhaps tell not the whole truth or will tell the truth) and piss others off...perhaps his friends are in radical groups who all ready hate the US and this is just another reason to say why they hate us so much now those soldiers have created more of a problem out of something simple.

I will be glad when we pull out. Trust me i support the effort but i am tired of us being the fall guy.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is still wood they stole. If they people they were taking it from really wanted it they would have built it into something useful already. Yes, stealing is wrong, but an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. And that is like an eye for all 4 of your limbs. If they really wanted to teach them a lesson, pop a few of his tires. Crushing a car is being an ass. I support our troops. But it is stuff like that which makes us look bad.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ok, yeah it's abuse of power and yeah there was no need to crush the truck, but really...Taxi Driver? I doubt it, sorry but there is no proof of the owner saying he's a taxi drive. The end is just someone adding in something b/c they do not support the war trying to make the little movie more of an impact on others. I could do the same thing if i really wanted to spend the time on it.



Imagine for a second someone doing that to YOUR property. Whether he was a taxi driver or not is inconscequental *spelling??*. It's no wonder the troops there are having such a hard time with crap like that going on


Sorry BRN maybe you miss understood me when i said...

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Ok, yeah it's abuse of power and yeah there was no need to crush the truck


In no way am i sticking up for them for crushing the dudes truck, i think it was the wrong way of going about things and a very poor way of dealing with the theft.

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It is obvious that the media shows what they want you to see
That is pretty much my point...the media added things to this to give it more of an impact.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok heres my two cents on this i have to agree with shocky before we condemn them we need all the fact and since we dont have those fact and even dont put up with what they have to on a daily basis we can not judge them without being basis. this is the problem with international affairs we dont know all the facts and dont live in their shoes.

"before you can judge a man walk a mile in his shoes"

(or however the quote goes im not going to research everything i say right now because i would forget wat i want to say)


as for what i think without the facts if i was to condem them or what i would have to say besides them crushing the car being freaking awsome i would have to say that they deserve it yes the soldiers should be punished but like shocky said what would stop them from coming back maybe an hour later just to steal it again. this way they will have to think twice before looting and it will make others think about what they have to loose if they want to loot again. i say they knew the consiquences*spelling???*


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

come on it was a matriel object. Here since we have some type of government, our cars wouldnt be ran over with tanks, but some where, where there is no government, except martial law by invading troops, there could be a worse reaction. In places around the world people get their hand chopped off if they get caught stealing... Think about it like this, A: Take those guys as criminals and put them in a prison camp, where the paper work could take days (time wasted from your life which you will never get back ever) for them to be cleared and released, B: have their hands chopped off ( a lil drastic, but still happening today) or C: lose a matriel object that can be replaced, in this case the car. So which would you choose?

id choose the car, whats the chances of me getting the car back if im in prison? most likely stolen by then.

It sucks but hey you gatta set a example, and try to stop looting with out blood shed.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whether or not you agree with crushing the car, just look at how much they enjoyed doing that. they did it more for their enjoyment than anything else. even if they did it for the 'right' reasons, they didnt have to make a mockery out of it.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do we know this wasn't staged. One of my first thoughts is that we have some soilders with a sence of humor and that car didn't even belong to those people.

Did we even get to see the wood that was stolen? The bad voice over? The camera shots and angles didn't look tv worthy to me. Who knows anymore...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

we dont know. but if it is staged, our opinions dont matter one way or another. why take that route and be apathetic when there is that chance it is real.
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