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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The whole strike here in California is because they are making te workers pay more for health benefits...not that they're doing away with them. And yes, the average grocery store worker is unskilled labor. They apply without much previous working experience and just work their way up. Try telling somone who has gone to post-secondary education for 6 years to become a teacher that their benefits are gonna cost more. That happened just this year with my mom. Did they strike? No. I know people who work at grocery stores and they are mostly pissed at the strike because they are now out of a job. What has it accomplished?


We have had to do that here also, Health insurance in the past few yrs has basically doubled. For a person with a family its about 600-650 dollars a month just for basic health insurance. Then again, we are pretty damn small compared to a company like Safeway that should be able to get some pretty good rates cause of its employee base. Every yr it seems we either have two choices, go to a higher deductable or take a 20% increase in health insurance, if anything EVERYONE should be banging down those guys doors. I should go thru my paperwork for the last 5 yrs with them, its just nuts.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes the bottom line is safeway wants to make MORE money not that they are losing it...and to do it they are pissing on the employess that brought them to be a world power
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My aunt works in Bermuda Dunes, not too far from Palm Springs, and my Uncle works in Yucca Valley, which is right near 29 Palms. My uncle's been doing the meatcutting thing for as long as I can remember, and he actually took a voluntary demotion cause as the Head butcher he was venturing into the unhealthy stress range. His supervisors have ried to get him to take the job back three times in the last year, but he won't take it because for him, the pay is not worth the stress that comes with the job. My aunt actually does alot of her work from home, on the side. She can do damn near any decoration you want on a cake, including screen printing, and airbrushing, which is particularly popular with the vatos in So Cal. She did a huge full sheet cake for NBC when they had some guy retire, it was shaped like the NBC Peacock. The funny part is that she makes way more at home than she does at work, but just likes going to work with other people.

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The whole strike here in California is because they are making te workers pay more for health benefits...not that they're doing away with them. And yes, the average grocery store worker is unskilled labor. They apply without much previous working experience and just work their way up. Try telling somone who has gone to post-secondary education for 6 years to become a teacher that their benefits are gonna cost more. That happened just this year with my mom. Did they strike? No. I know people who work at grocery stores and they are mostly pissed at the strike because they are now out of a job. What has it accomplished?


Why didn't they strike to get their benefits back? Teachers strike all the time, generally for more pay or better quality health care, but how often do you see radical improvements in the quality of educations for todays children? Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking teachers to be miracle workers or to work for peanuts, I think teachers are horribly underpaid. My point is that if they were unhappy with the contracts their union negotiated, then they should have rejected it outright, and told them to go back to the table and be tougher. To use their not striking as an example of others getting the shaft and then not doing anything about it doesn't really jive with me.

And while I'm on the subject, why complain about immmigrants coming in to pick vegetables and cotton? Their hard labor means your food is cheap, and I have a hard time believing that your average unemployed American is going to "degrade" themselves to the point where they're picking cabbage. Anyways, all those people on unemployment right now could go and work the fields if they really wanted to, they'd just have to accept that there's going to be a sizeable pay cut from what they're used to getting on unemployment.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i heard on the radio that mexico's 2nd largest income comes from illegal immigrants sending money back to mexico.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't mean to offend anyone, but these jobs are unskilled labor, plain and simple.


hey i take offence...wait u said didnt mean to...i guess i cant complain but some jobs do require some skillz but yeah most dont...anyways i tried to see how long it would take b4 i posted in here
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there alot of upgrade training at Safeway that you have to attend to keep up with new technology and products?? Are you going to a night school to get certified in your "trade"??

If it takes you 2 years to learn how to cut a decent steak when you do it every damn day, I think its time to try something alittle easier like working in the frozen foods dept. If I had a guy working for me that took 2 years to cut a piece of plywood straight I would have fired him 23 months before that.

I don't know what kinda super duper grocery store your talking about, we don't have safeway out here. The only requirement for my classmate to work in the meat dept. was that he was 18 yrs old so he could use the sharp objects. He went from pushing carts one week to cutting meat the next, maybe he was a genius or something i dunno. I know for sure he didn't have an "in" like you said you need at safeway. Neither did I, and they still hired me.

I guess I'm just confused that if working at the grocery store is so skilled, how in the world did they replace those people so fast out in California?? And if those people are doing a crappy job, because the aren't skilled enough, why are people crossing picket lines to still shop there for worse service and products? Maybe your overblowing it just alittle Keyes.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is there alot of upgrade training at Safeway that you have to attend to keep up with new technology and products?? Are you going to a night school to get certified in your "trade"??

If it takes you 2 years to learn how to cut a decent steak when you do it every damn day, I think its time to try something alittle easier like working in the frozen foods dept. If I had a guy working for me that took 2 years to cut a piece of plywood straight I would have fired him 23 months before that.

I don't know what kinda super duper grocery store your talking about, we don't have safeway out here. The only requirement for my classmate to work in the meat dept. was that he was 18 yrs old so he could use the sharp objects. He went from pushing carts one week to cutting meat the next, maybe he was a genius or something i dunno. I know for sure he didn't have an "in" like you said you need at safeway. Neither did I, and they still hired me.

I guess I'm just confused that if working at the grocery store is so skilled, how in the world did they replace those people so fast out in California?? And if those people are doing a crappy job, because the aren't skilled enough, why are people crossing picket lines to still shop there for worse service and products? Maybe your overblowing it just alittle Keyes.


well let me enlighten you, do i go to night school...no...i have on the job training by the meatmanager and other seniors...one who has been in the buisness for 50 years...most stores do send their apprentices to a class...but as i work in the most experienced/best meat department in the district, i stay here...mostly for money reasons. secondly you are trying to compare plywood with steak...wow...thats like saying since you can fix a bicycle you can fix a 747...and that just doesnt bode well for your argument...there is a lot more to cutting meat then "cutting it straight" on the contrary....you actually dont cut it straightcutting some pieces straight would result in one, shall i say, crappy looking piece of meat...if you were to look at a real good cut of meat it is a piece of art incomprable to any other art form out there, a truly good cut does not have to do with only looks either, it also affects the tenderness of the steak, the taste of the steak and the longevity of the steak. you say you do not know what kind of super duper grocery store i work in and you do not have safeways near you, then, one must ask them selves, how can you even argue in this thread, to be avle to argue in this thread you must know what a safeway is, and to know what safeway is you must know its marketing slogan. "Safeway, always giving our best" now, what does this mean, this slogan is radically different from food lion or other grocery stores, and from what it sounds like the one you worked at. Food lion: " extra low prices" this means they advertise low prices....safeway on the other hand has no mention of prices, insteat they tote quality, something that is lost on todays population because like the big buisnesses all they care about is their bottom line, they dont care wheteher or not they get something tantamount to a piece of fecal matter as long as they got a bargan price on it. And this my friend is what safeway is, quality, not an 18 year old armed with a meat slicer and a super wrapper, ready to wrap the pre-made steaks that come in on the truck. Its a seasoned meat cutter armed with a precision knife, a bone saw, 30yrs experience, and a weigher/wrapper with 30 years experience who can wrap faster and better then any machine ever made, and doesnt break down every top and bottom of the hour. And why are people crossing over the picket lines is it because they replacement workers are as skilled as the old workers...my thinking is no...my thinking is more on the lines of...
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It is the only grocery store near me and I don't want to drive an extra 15 minutes
...its inconvienent for them to care about other people lives...am i overblowing it?...if your job was on the line...i think you would be arguing the same things too...now please...unless you know what you are arguing about dont try to make a point...i work there, i know whats going on...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 5 friends who are not out of a job because of it, and they didn't agree to the strike in the first place. But of course, I am ill informed? It comes down to this, the corporate office increased the payment for health insurance, the workers didn't like it and are striking to lower it. Someone has to budge and it would appear the corporations are suffering. Maybe the union needs to cut its losses and end its strike?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WOW! get the weiney out of your ass its starting to affect your brain. Was I comparing cutting plywood to cutting meat?? um no. I said if it takes you 2 damn years to cut a "decent" (as your buddy put it) steak I would have fired your sorry ass. I don't care if your cutting plywood, steak, or someones chest cavity. If it takes you 2 years of on the job training by seniors with 50 years experience (those are some old butchers, maybe you guys need a better retirement fund) then your a damn slow learner. (do you take the short bus to work??)

Just because I don't work at suckway doesn't mean I don't have the right to voice my opinion, no matter if it gets your panties in a bunch or not!!

In my neck of the woods we don't need a meat dept. that suposedly offers the best meat in biz, we need to feed our families and still make the mortgage payment. If we want to spend frivolously on piece of meat we'll go to a specialty store that just sells meat or go to a fine restaurant and have someother underpaid person cook it and serve it to us.

I'm sorry if leaving High School with the dream of making it big working at the grocery store is your plan. If you were my kid, I would tell ya to aim alittle higher.

Back to what has been said about the owner of Safeway being a millionaire and all he/she cares about is their bottomline. MORE POWER TO EM!!! Your #1 concern at work should be making your boss enough money to swim in. If they're not making money, then guess what? Neither are you! Its their company that they started from the ground up, they deserve to make as much money as they want. This isn't a communist nation, no one is forcing you to cut meat. This is exactly how people get themselves into such predicaments, they learn how to do one thing well and then when someone comes along who can do it cheaper they lose their job. Whose fault is it? your boss? he should keep the higher paid guy around because he has family to feed? Its a rough world kid, learn how to do many things well. Take a night class on spanish, maybe then you could be manager at safeway in a couple years.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

now your post proves it...i never said you had no right to voice your opininon i say you have no right to cut down(no pun intended) a job you a) have no clue what goes on in. b) have never done. This recent post of yours shows how apparrently you have no clue as to what is going on despite my narration of events and their causes. the persons job is not to make their boss richer it is to provide a service for the public. We have a problem when the boss decides that he no onger needs the employees that got him there, this course of action that safeway is taking, will be the downfall of three parties, the "higher ups" of safeway i.e CEO VP's as they use all their money to support the company in this attempt to break the unions, The unions because they will hold to the last and not break until they are completely beaten, the workers of safeway trapped between this political war...and need i remind you that one this union breaks, and it will break, ALL unions will break as other companies follow suit that means ALL union workers will lose, the time for unions is gone and you fellow union worker are also in trouble, i would be looking at this with great interest.

Another thing...aim higher...oh darn maybe i should quit the 75+ a year job im in as it has no skill.....yes...1st cutter at my store made 75+ this year....and he didnt work for a whole month....manager makes more...and our 60yr old road cutter makes even more...so yes...i should find a better paying job.....

and secondly this isnt their company that they started from the ground up...(another example of your ignorace, ignorance that is running rampant through out your arguments and should quickly be quelled)...the original owner of safeway died a few years ago...and his motto was "the employee is the greatest asset of the company" times were good then...this 75+ a year for a meat cutter would be laughable...only person who made more then the meat cutting department was the store owner....after the meat department came the AM then the rest of the store...safeway is now owned by a bunch of investment bankers who feel that employees are the greatest liability and since their ownership...safeway stock has dropped from 60+ a share to the current 16...you try and figure the reasons...ill tell you some...they think they can do better then the original owner who made the company a worldwide power...and now...u havent even heard of it.

Thirdly you say i should learn to do many things...HA! i can do pretty much anything...that is why i am alredy a comprable cutter...after only a few short months...and the list of my abilities is quite vast...so before you a) attack a job; learn what is required in the job...and not base your arguments against the job on a two bit grocery joint that imports regular crap for product b) attack a person and his abilities without ever meeting him/her and/or have substansial evidence of your claim
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Back to what has been said about the owner of Safeway being a millionaire and all he/she cares about is their bottomline. MORE POWER TO EM!!! Your #1 concern at work should be making your boss enough money to swim in. If they're not making money, then guess what? Neither are you! Its their company that they started from the ground up, they deserve to make as much money as they want. This isn't a communist nation, no one is forcing you to cut meat. This is exactly how people get themselves into such predicaments, they learn how to do one thing well and then when someone comes along who can do it cheaper they lose their job. Whose fault is it? your boss? he should keep the higher paid guy around because he has family to feed? Its a rough world kid, learn how to do many things well. Take a night class on spanish, maybe then you could be manager at safeway in a couple years.


Well i have to disagree with this statment, My number one concern should not be making my boss enough money to swim in? It should be supporting my family. This is where this country is turing for the worse. When you are in a job for a while, and are making decent money and someone else comes along like an illegal hispanic or someone of that nature and will work for alot less, i should just accept it? The owners and ceo's of company's use to care about their employees, their use to be mutual respect and trust. This is fading because of situations like this.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woah. Let's get this straight.

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top sirloin steak, porterhouse, porterhouse thin, porterhouse thick, ny strip bnls, ny strip bnls thin, ny strip bnls thick, ny strip BI, ny strip BI thin, ny strip BI thick, t-bone, t-bone thin, t-bone thick, top round steak thin, top round steak london broil, top round roast, bottom round bottom steak, bottom round bottom roast, bottom round bottom steak thin, bottom round eye round steak, bottom round eye round steak thin, bottom round eye round roast, bottom round rump roast, chuck cross rib steak, chuck cross rib roast, chuck blade steak bnls, chuck blade steak BI, chuck pot roast, chuck blade roast BI, tenderloin steak, tenderloin roast, rib steaks, rib steak thin, rib steak thick, rib roast, ribeye steak, ribeye steak thin, ribeye roast, beef ribs, short ribs, country style ribs, tripe, liver, heart, marrow bones, ox-tail, 93%, 90%, 80% ground beef, and thats only a protion of the beef...lets not forget veal, pork, rabbit, and chicken


Dayum! You cut that many? In a grocery store? Do your neighbors like, eat steaks every day? Whoo-ee!

But you gotta ask yourself: What in the world made you waste time and type up all those variations on a slab of meat?

And I think we're getting a bit too hot here. I hope that the term "unskilled" is being used relativitvivivitialily. I mean, at safeway you might have SUPER HIGH standards so that your boss, Mr Byrd, can have an excuse to up the prices of their steaks, but then again I would not know. But did the guy who stocks the soda aisle spend over eight years preparing to do so in college? I hope not.

You may be this awesome pwnz0r meatcutter guy that all the nobs go to for a high quality chance to get C-J disease, and you can probably juggle and twirl butcher knives around your pinky with your eyes closed, but the grocery stores around where I live certainly qualify for the "unskilled" rating. The steaks in the barbecue take out section look as if someone took a pattern and made copies of the same steak over and over again.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The strike is honestly annoying. I always see them outside and they tend to give you extremely bad looks for going there.


The reason for the looks are because when you shop there you are inadvertantly saying "screw you workers". You may not realize it. The workers/union are the ones getting screwed.


Uhm, no offense, but generally speaking a person DOES need to buy food.


No offense but generally speaking there are other places to get food
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Kazebari wrote:
Woah. Let's get this straight.

[HALO]cpt._Keyes wrote:
top sirloin steak, porterhouse, porterhouse thin, porterhouse thick, ny strip bnls, ny strip bnls thin, ny strip bnls thick, ny strip BI, ny strip BI thin, ny strip BI thick, t-bone, t-bone thin, t-bone thick, top round steak thin, top round steak london broil, top round roast, bottom round bottom steak, bottom round bottom roast, bottom round bottom steak thin, bottom round eye round steak, bottom round eye round steak thin, bottom round eye round roast, bottom round rump roast, chuck cross rib steak, chuck cross rib roast, chuck blade steak bnls, chuck blade steak BI, chuck pot roast, chuck blade roast BI, tenderloin steak, tenderloin roast, rib steaks, rib steak thin, rib steak thick, rib roast, ribeye steak, ribeye steak thin, ribeye roast, beef ribs, short ribs, country style ribs, tripe, liver, heart, marrow bones, ox-tail, 93%, 90%, 80% ground beef, and thats only a protion of the beef...lets not forget veal, pork, rabbit, and chicken


Dayum! You cut that many? In a grocery store? Do your neighbors like, eat steaks every day? Whoo-ee!



thats only a few...and it didnt take me that long to write it out...and its not just for my neighborhood, its for my whole town...uve never been to waldorf...it be crowdeded hur in smib land...AND we dont have copy's of the other steaks we dont use slabs, he have quarters...a whole chunk of cow...that we cut from
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