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powdermilkman Diplomat
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with shocky you can't kill him...one he is far more useful if he kept alive so we can get information second if you kill him he becomes a matyr(sp) instantly which is as bad as you can get and what the U.S. doesn't want.
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| powdermilkman wrote: | I agree with shocky you can't kill him...one he is far more useful if he kept alive so we can get information second if you kill him he becomes a matyr(sp) instantly which is as bad as you can get and what the U.S. doesn't want.
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Now the biggest question is: Where do we have him tried? In Iraq with his own people's courts? Or in an international court outside of the Middle East.
If he is tried in his country's courts, it gives the trial legitimatcy, but they may set him free (unlikely but possible). If they try him else where his people will call the courts a theater performance with the US as the director (as in we soley determined his guilt, not any of the jury).
But speaking of War Courts, when Milosavich was tried a large amount of information about the genocide that had occured in Croatia really came to light. (Milosavich called the court a sham, but he still testified on his own behalf, which only hurt his case even more).
Well that is my two cents on war courts. _________________
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Azrael Registered User

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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Saddam would not become a martyr even if he were executed with spoons by a pack of blind schoolgirls. He is not, nor has ever been, especially religous. Most people recognize that his islamic posturings are simply that, nothing more. He may be a Sunni, but he is not especially loved for his rhetoric, or his beliefs. He is well known as an evil person, especially among the iraqis. The only reason that most of the people in Tikrit loved him was because he favored them with money, gifts, land, etc., all because he is Tikriti. They're just now starting to miss the old ways when he was in power, and they were the favored sons of Iraq.
Should he be tried in Iraq? Most Definitely. Is there a chance he could be let off the hook over there? He doesn't even have a snowball's chance in hell. The only real question is what could be the worst form of punishment for a tyrant like that? Pol Pot got house arrest, hopefullySaddam will get something more befitting. _________________ Under construction!!! |
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Azrael wrote: | | Saddam would not become a martyr even if he were executed with spoons by a pack of blind schoolgirls. He is not, nor has ever been, especially religous. |
You don't have to be religous to be a martyr, only a cause that others also believe in.
| dictionary.com wrote: | | Martyr: One who makes great sacrifices or suffers much in order to further a belief, cause, or principle. |
Here is an article that I got from Reuters.
| Reuters wrote: | Palestinians Mark 'Black Day' of Saddam Capture
RAMALLAH (Reuters) - Disbelief and gloom seized many Palestinians Sunday at news of Saddam Hussein's capture as Israel fired off a telegram of congratulations to Washington.
The former Iraqi ruler was a hero to many Palestinians for his stand against Israel and its U.S. ally, as well as for helping families of Palestinians dead in an uprising.
For Israel, he was a menace over the horizon who long bankrolled the enemy.
"It's a black day in history," said Sadiq Husam, 33, a taxi driver in Ramallah, West Bank seat of the Palestinian Authority.
"I am saying so not because Saddam is an Arab, but because he is the only man who said no to American injustice in the Middle East," he said.
There was no immediate reaction from Palestinian President Yasser Arafat or his government.
But Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz hailed Saddam's capture in a telegram to Washington as proof of patience and determination in a war "against the rulers of darkness."
Saddam paid over $35 million to the kin of Palestinian suicide bombers, militants and bystanders who died in an uprising that began in 2000.
Though far from all Palestinians supported him, militants marched to back Saddam ahead of the U.S.-led invasion in March.
Arafat himself had opposed the 1991 Gulf War that ousted Saddam's forces from Kuwait. Palestinians cheered when Iraqi Scud missiles crashed into Israeli cities.
Some did not believe news of Saddam's capture even when images of the bearded figure flashed across television screens.
"Maybe they captured someone who looks like him," said Laila Abusharigh, 55, in the Gaza Strip. "Saddam is a real man and all of us are with him."
Fifteen youngsters from Arafat's Fatah movement tagged onto a rally in Gaza for the Islamic group Hamas, holding up posters of Saddam.
Islamic factions sworn to Israel's destruction have taken strength from Iraqi resistance and cautioned Sunday that Saddam's capture would not end attacks on U.S. forces.
"The war will start now in Iraq," said 16-year-old Yusef Khalil in Gaza. "Saddam helped our people and we will not forget him." |
Saddam still has a lot of support, and those are the people who are fighting the colation (sp?) forces and the israelis. The war is not over, but an important milestone has been reached. _________________
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FingerDemon Registered User

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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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LOL Azrael... schoolgirls with spoons,
I have to quote the Simpsons here. "It's funny... because it's true."
And as crazy and scientifically impossible as it is, I have to say I am intrigued by Kason Allen's idea. A clone. That we could do anything we want with.... hmmmmm. This deserves further research.
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powdermilkman Diplomat
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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I am not saying he would become a matyr in Iraq but in other countries where peopel supported his actions towards the U.S.
I think when he is tried it should be in Iraq it gives the court some legitimacy.
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Azrael Registered User

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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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I know there are many ways that one can become a martyr, I was just using the religion one cause that is a prevalent one. I probably should have said something to that effect.......
He didn't just give money to the palestinian cause, he also sent young Iraqi men over there. We raided many Baath Party offices throughout Southern Iraq, and there were always Certificates of Martyrdom in them, detailing who had died, when they died, and where they came from. They were even printed on that nice thick paper, you know, the kind that's real heavy, and guaranteed to last a couple of years. _________________ Under construction!!! |
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:04 pm Post subject: Re: saddam caught? |
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| ROOFCUTTER wrote: | Do you think its really him or another look alike?
They say DNA has verified his identity
Well I hope this starts the country on a road to peace and prosperity.
Lets hope the killing will stop now.
If I were on the council I would vote to kill him now. publicly. |
i dont care if it is or isnt because all bush wants is re-elections so he might be lying out of his arse or not but i hate him and his wussy space stations...err i mean i hate him and his wussy cabinet members _________________ [img]http://users.tvr-guild.org/speaker/speakersays.php[/img]
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Azrael Registered User

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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: saddam caught? |
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| Speaker for the Dead wrote: | | ROOFCUTTER wrote: | Do you think its really him or another look alike?
They say DNA has verified his identity
Well I hope this starts the country on a road to peace and prosperity.
Lets hope the killing will stop now.
If I were on the council I would vote to kill him now. publicly. |
i dont care if it is or isnt because all bush wants is re-elections so he might be lying out of his arse or not but i hate him and his wussy space stations...err i mean i hate him and his wussy cabinet members |
Ummmm, Ok, if you honestly believe that, then you have no faith in those doing their job there. They would not have rubber stamped him as being official if it wasn't him. If it's one thing political folk know, it's the fact that scandals always get out, and for some reason, I think lying about capturing Saddam would be along the lines of an impeachable offense. So no, I don't buy into your little theory that they're lying, simply because you "hate" Bush and his wussy space stations and cabinet members. so I'm taking it that you consider Colin Powell to be one of those wussies? I suggest you rethink your methods, and put forth any ideas you have in such a way as to put them forth in the best light, because stating your opinions like the way you just did doesn't exactly convey the feeling that you've done your homework on the issue. _________________ Under construction!!! |
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YourPowersAreWeakOldMan Registered User

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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:18 am Post subject: |
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We all know Saddam will be tried and probably put in a nice jailcell somewhere forever...and that intelligence and such will constantly talk to him, like Hannibal Lector in silence of the lambs....His jailcell will most likely be better than that hole in the ground and most people's living conditions in much of the world.
I think permenant inprisonment is worse than death, because he is going to face death invariably, but he will get a long time alone to think about it coming in that little space. As well as being treated like a caged animal, a lab specimen to be studied by intelligence and historians and whatever...
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"One Middle-Eastern Dictator" under glass.
Also, anyone seen the 'Hulk' movie? Doesn't this picture of Saddam remind you of Nick Nolte (David banner) Bruce Banner's crazy father in the movie?
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Azrael Registered User

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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:21 am Post subject: |
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true dat YPAWOM, my only hope is that they feed him nothing but kosher food, and the only stations on his TV are the 700 club and Oxygen! _________________ Under construction!!! |
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:02 am Post subject: |
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All I could think of that would fit for punishment is kinda like what they did to hitler in 'Little Nicky' that Adam Sandler Movie.
(Side note) I wonder if Sadam saw the south park movie.
but gj U.S. _________________
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:28 am Post subject: |
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They should sick the Hebrew Hammer on him. _________________ Amen!
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| Bright Red Nipples wrote: | | Kjeldorian Royal Guard 42 wrote: | | Potato-VS- wrote: | I got one question that no one has ever answered me:
Why do almost 100% of all evil dictators have mustachees or beards?! |
Good point. Better keep an eye on Super Greg.  |
It doesn't mention unibrows. I think that takes priority over any other facial hair. |
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 11:03 am Post subject: |
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lol!
yay for Supergreg |
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