Glory

Potato-VS- · Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 9:24 pm Post subject: Glory

We recently watched this movie in American History (yes we canucks learn about you yanks and your violent history and I must say that I enjoy America's violent history and history in general very much!). I must say that it depicts the general living conditions and battles that blacks were used in very well during the civil war. Its sad that the 54th were used as cannon fodder at Fort Sumter... What really ticks me off about that entire campaign is the fact that the Union Navy was "bombarding" the Fort for four days before Col Shaw and other leaders were breifed on the raid and taking of the fort. Except the bombardment caused little to no damage in the movie - and in real life. They then figure "send in the blacks theyll take the brunt of the fire for us".... Definatly not cool. In the movie it looked like there were more explosions in the air than on the ground. Anyways, what do you guys think of the movie? I thought it was great. The comments that came out of the Sargeant Major's mouth during training were hilarious! The irish accent makes it even better I think.

We also have to make a commenerative stamp (which I will post later) for the class so I choose Robert E. Lee. I may not support slavery but he was brilliant when it came to military tactics. Whos your favorite civil war hero?

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Kazebari · Official Mall Ninja Joined: 28 Apr 2002 Posts: 935

This is, the ah, one with denzel washington right? I mean, there are probably boundless educational movies on the 54th in the Civil War...

[edit] Doh, of course it was the one with denzel, the title's name is Glory. can't believe I forgot to look there :/ [/edit]

And, uh, the 54th Mass didn't attack Fort Sumter, it was Wagner, I think.

Potato-VS- · Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 9:29 pm Post subject:

Bleh its ok either one. I cant remember and I cant find anything on the net... Either way its sad that the bombardment didnt do anything for their sake at all really...

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Darkath · Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 10:05 pm Post subject:

We watched 'Glory' in U.S. History last year, and I would have to say that US History = my favorite class. Our teacher did something interesting on the very first day of class, he gave us a mini-quiz to see how much we knew. It was a true-false quiz about general history, and the answers were all false. The point of the quiz was to show us common misconceptions about history. One of the questions was about the 54th, but I forgot what it was. We also watched The Patriot, Amistad, Gettysburg, Saving Private Ryan, Pearl Harbor and Nixon.

While learning about the good ol' US, we also did some history of England, and I'm fascinated with their history also.

http://www.britannia.com/history/h6f.html <<<--- good link for English history
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Violent Pacifist · Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 10:32 pm Post subject:

The 54th was one of the first all black regiments. When it was first formed, most of the US felt that blacks weren't to be trusted on the battlefield. A lot of them thought that once in the battle, the blacks "native instincts" would kick in, and they would all become savage barbarians. A good number of people also believed that the blacks would become traitors on the battlefield, or wouldn't fight at all.

The fort the 54th regiment was sent to fight against was already known to be nearly impregnable. The assignment was more of an act to simply get the blacks out of the way, rather than actually take the fort--they had given up hope for that quite awhile ago. However, the 54th's valiant charge against the confederates opened some peoples' eyes. Even though the blacks were still discriminated, they were no longer viewed with the thought that they could not--or would not--fight in the war. The flag carrier for the 54th regiment was even awarded a medal (I think it was the medal of honor, but I can't be sure).

And as Kazebari said, Lee only turned down the the Union army because he didn't want to fight against his own state. He never encouraged or enjoyed the idea of slavery.

My favorite Civil War hero would have to be "Stonewall" Jackson--a fearless, military genius, who happened to be a horrible teacher. He was also, unfortuneatly, shot by his own men

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Stevo · Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 11:04 am Post subject:

I think Robert E. Lee had to be one of the best military leader in the war. That's not just because I'm on The Ville lol.

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Potato-VS- · Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 7:19 pm Post subject:

Grant did badly also because he had a really bad slacker's attitude - he never looked at his best he was always slobby.

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Violent Pacifist · Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 7:50 pm Post subject:

Potato-VS- · Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 7:57 pm Post subject:

He was really slobby. Have you ever seen some of the photographs of him? Or was it Lee who was slobby? I dont think it was but it might have been lee. Either way one of them was really slobby and really didnt like wearing a uniform the proper way or anything like that such.

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Potato-VS- · Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 6:58 am Post subject:

Yea I know all that but they spent four days bombarding the fort and they did little to no damage to the walls, if they had done more damage to the defenses rather than trying to kill just the troops then the 54 and others oucld have gotten through much easier.

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