Ca Fire/Request Denied

SpeCies · Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 4:45 pm Post subject: Ca Fire/Request Denied

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Blown · Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 5:09 pm Post subject:

So if I understand this correctly. Its the feds fault that Gov Davis spent all the money and then alot more, so he couldnt take care of his own states problems. When he could of took care of his own states problems himself. Maybe if Democrats wernt so damn busy trying to play Mega Environmentalist and stop any sort of selective cuttings in our forests we would have been a little bit better off. Something like here, in So. Oregon that they basically shut down any sort of cutting, then we had a huge fire last yr, and its all thier freakin faults. Personally they should be the dumbarses up thier in the woods fighting the fires since they had the damn bright idea that any cutting of old dead trees is bad. YA, GO EXTREMISTS!!!!

FragFailure · Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 5:15 pm Post subject:

Reason 2,187 that California legislature is all nuts.
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SpeCies · Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 5:24 pm Post subject:

I can't wait see how they handle california when it breaks off from the rest of the country.. Wait. Maybe that isn't a bad idea and then Ca can declare itself a communist country, anything has got to be better than dealing with DC

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MuLiShA · Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2003 2:36 am Post subject:

Species, how does this relate to the federal government?
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Pornstar · Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Ca Fire/Request Denied

ROOFCUTTER · Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2003 9:01 pm Post subject:

The wood that burned from the bark beatle was not the wood that burned where the people were killed or most of the houses were destroyed.
That wood is a little higher up the mountains.
The natural chaparrel that grows at all elevations around here is highly flamamable at the best of times and explosive when very dry. ( we are always dry here. it is the coastal desert)

No federal aid would of helped

except maybe the aircraft they sent and California refused to use.

The people who died did not have a chance. they got warning to late and the Valley and mountain they live on was nothing but a tunnel of fire. Most burned in their cars as they tried to escape. One lady who tried to run but was blocked returned home and hid in her shower where they found her burned to death along with her house. Her car out front was untouched with her poesseions...

she should of stayed in the car???
Others just could not make it and either tried to get out of their cars and were found a few steps from them. others ran off the road.
This all happened in the first hours of the fire. about 3am. I live at the foot of the mountain. it came down to us about 430am. by light it had burned through the moreno valley and up into Eucalptus hills. By that time it was common knowledge and everyone was evacuated so only property damage was done from then on out...until the firefighter was killed.

One man who made it out in his car said it was like being fried in a can. The fires heat just passed right through the glass and burned him. He was very lucky.

The information is changing daily on what happened. As more information is available we learn more on how it was managed or mismanaged and the death toll is up to 25 but as of this time only 16 has been ruled due to fire. The cornor has to certify the rest as "fire Victims" as opposed to other causes of death.
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Pornstar · Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2003 10:34 pm Post subject:

SpeCies · Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2003 12:57 am Post subject:

What do you mean by, How does this relate ? California floating away and turning into a communist country, or the Governor of Ca asking for help that our president denied ?

Kind of a crazy question isn't it ? I would think that both cases would involve our government big time don't you think ?

1) Bush denying federal aide to clear brush and rotten wood that isn't nothing but fuel for a accident waiting to happen.If our president did grant government funding for clear cutting and maintenence then maybe the fires range and the extent of it's damage might of been easier to contain! No Fuel=No fire !

2)Dude, California is F.E.M.A.'s poster child when it comes down to natural disasters. What would you call it if that entire state separated from the country as the entire western continent did from Australia more than a few million years ago. Both Gray Davis and Arnold would be both shitting bricks!

What's does all this have to do with our federal government you ask. I don't know you tell me MuLiSha ?

SpeCies · Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2003 1:06 am Post subject: Re: Ca Fire/Request Denied

Pffft... That pork-chop munching lard-ass Ridge wouldn't know his own ass from a hole in the ground.. He is nothing but Mr.Bush's personal version of Mr. Potato Head. When Bush is gone so is he.

OpTlk · Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2003 3:38 am Post subject:

yes, lets just get rid of ALL the excess plants, shrubs, tress and wildlife so we can live on an ugly bare planet.

Wildfires were around long before we inhabited the planet and are gonna be around a long time afte we're gone. Theres no stopping it. Clearing out brush or not, a fire would've still happened, it does every year. Yeah these particular ones are horrible, but its done and over with. Bush didn't sign it, the fires happened, people will rebuild and lives will move on. Bitching and moaning about "what ifs" are just pointless IMO. How about we just drop the whole CA fires topic and move on as well...I sat in front of my TV for a week as my city was burning around me, friends of mine lost their houses...but I can tell straight up, they're sure as hell not bitching about clearing brush from the bark beatle infestation. (if anything its the lack of fire support)

oh and as far as no fuel = no fire, if you knew the Southern California terrain you would know thats unavoidable. There are mountains all over and in between are neighborhoods and houses...if it wasn't brush burning, it was houses. The key component in these fires that made it different from the others was the bad luck that they happened during strong Santa Ana winds.
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Stevo · Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2003 2:28 pm Post subject:

I think that if they cleared brush around the houses, there would have been less houses lost. They're getting rid of dry dead plants, not the wildlife.

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Blown · Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2003 2:33 pm Post subject:

Im not talking cutting everything down, its called thinning. It makes it so there is less fuel, and a little more chance to control a fire. Last yrs fire here would of been stopped way earlier if this was allowed to happen. Thank god Oregon could afford to pay for its OWN cleaning.

ROOFCUTTER · Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2003 2:56 pm Post subject:

Blown, here in San Diego county the forest is the scrub brush. It grows like a carpet. It grows about chest high in most areas with 15 or 20 foot heights in patches. You really cannot thin this out.

The higher elevations and San Bernidino fires are more in the tree line and then it would apply.

I would think that most of the problem with burned homes is the surronding foliage was not kept back far enough. The recommended area is quite large and no one wants to do it.

We burn down good about every 25 to 30 years along with yearly smaller ones. This one happens to be real bad.

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Vicoden · Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2003 3:32 pm Post subject:

People need to stop overpopulating these areas where as you all have said, this sort of thing happens all the time. Its just like the people living on the east coast, continually getting their homes wrecked by hurricanes and strong storms......well duh, don't build there. There are plenty of homesites in areas that are not high risk for natural disasters, put people are going to live where they want to live. The foolish man builds is house upon the sand, the wise man builds his house upon the rock.
I know some of the areas, like lake arrowhead are of historic value and some of the homes were pretty old, but that doesn't make it right. The three biggest factors in building or buying a home is, location location location.