School help

Monk · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 11:56 pm Post subject:

Violent video games may or may not cause kids to act more violently in the real world, but one thing is for sure, they increase a persons ability to kill.

Taking a gun to the head of another human being and pulling the trigger is not something that most people are capable of under normal circumstances. For example, in the days following battles of the Civil War it was not uncommon to find rifles on the battlefields loaded with 2-5 shots. It became apparent that even though the soldiers thought they were firing they actually weren't, and instead just kept loading more shots into the gun without ever firing a shot.

The military took note of this, and ever since, a big part of basic training is simply teaching the body to be able to pull the trigger when under stress. It is not very economical for the military to be sending out thousands of soldiers if only a percentage of them were actually pulling the trigger. Our military has been developing their methods ever since the civil war and have become extremely successful in turning ordinary men into efficient soldiers. This is the main idea behind the harshness of boot camp.

Recently the army has begun studies on the effect of FPS video games on humans at an early age. They quickly came to identify a change in peoples ability to kill, as well as their efficiency in the matter. FPS games train you in the most effective ways to kill a man, for example by shooting him in the head. By killing virtual people (no matter how real they may actually appear to be) thousands of times, a person greatly enhances their ability to repeat the action in the real world.

Many of you know about the Army's video game (America's Army) which is their first attempt to market video games to the children of America in hopes that they will be able to affect the efficiency of future soldiers before the soldiers even join the Army. The Army has a great interest in violent FPS video games, and no doubt is behind the industry 100%.

Anyway, all I am trying to say is that while video games may not cause someone to go crazy and start shooting up a classroom, certain games definitely enhance someone's killing efficiency should they be driven to commit such a crime.
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GameOverMan · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 1:18 am Post subject:

Alright guys i know i dont post much but i think this is a good subject of discussion. I do believe video games influence anger which can resort to violence, ex: counter-strike. the impatientness of waiting for the round to end has made most of its players want more, but they do seem much angrier. a good reccomendation on this topic is the documentry "bowling for columbine". theres over 11,000 murders in the US every year, about 400 in canada, and i think canadians play the same computer games as we do in the US. the reason we HAVE NOT found the reason for violence is: the news wants us to believe its something else, but its actually them, they would never eat thier selves up so you wouldnt even think about it.
watch the news: all you see is murders, fires, and war (thanks to el dickhead bush). they are the ones who blame computer games for making americas youth violent. would would guess it could ever possibly be them.

Potato-VS- · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 7:07 am Post subject:

I agree with monk there - though Im sure that in real life you cant go into bullet mode like in enter the matrix and dodge bullets, shoot down a helicopter with a machinegun/pistol or kick SWAT personal/Army Personal's butts.

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shockwave · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 7:23 am Post subject:

On the topic for "bowling for columbine", I definately feel that the movie was a waste fo time. Michael Moore uses this "documentry" to distort facts, makeup "real" situations, and edit others speeches and works just to provoke emotions. Instead of listing more faults of Michael Moore and his movie, here is one of many websites that I would recommend instead of the movie Bowling for BS.

In addition to the movie, I find what he did at the acadamy awards was simply deplorable and if I had my way, he would be out of any job or influence on the american public ever again.
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powdermilkman · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 12:23 pm Post subject:

::steps up on his soap box::

AHEM

on the subject of this post i agree with whomever said it is the parents responsibility to monitor what their children do. Parents of the last generation and the first to really have kids after the baby boomers (sorry if i group any of yall in this i mean this as a group not as an individual effort on your part) use the television, video games, and film as a nanny which is not the intent. Somewhere along the lines these parents forgot to do their duty and responsibilty as an adult and as a parent and watch the programming or actually god forbid do a tiny bit of research into what their kids are playing, with the internet this research becomes even more painless as they only have to go to amazon.com or the game manufactures website and read the description. If the kids are playing DOOM, Wolfenstien, DOD, HALO, GTA, or ask for any other violent video game it is the duty of the parent to regulate not the game manufactures who have obeyed all guide lines by putting a rating on the games like TV and the film industry do. A game company can not go out to every EB games or every shopping mall computer store in the nation and put a rep next to the counter and say look kid your to young. So the responsibility falls straight in the parents lap which a lot of parents have neglected in doing, and thus by neglecting this responsibility and unwilling to take the blame who do they point their fingers at Games, TV, and especially the film industry cause they are easy targets when in fact 100% well maybe 95% of the blame should be placed soley on the parents.

Now on the subject of bowling for columbine if you want to debate if this movie is actually good on filmic qualities then it is a pretty darn good movie and deserved the award (what michael moore did at the awards show has nothing to do with this movie what so ever thus i will not talk about it). Now it was a documentry thus the facts are going to be strewed and are going to be stretched to the millionth degree and that is what Moore did. Do i like Moore, most times no, but he does raise good points and i don't have to agree with him nor does anyone but he gets me thinking sometimes other times he makes me angry. What i think is so interesting about bowling for columbine is that he doesn't directly point out the fact that guns are what is wrong with our country it is the media's (news shows) fault, which is something that should of been said a long time ago. The media plays on our paranoid sense which by nature Americans are paranoid and thus they (news shows) feed right into this. Watch the news how much good news do you ever see on there compared to how much bad news. Surely in the world there is not always bad news surely there has to be something else on besides war, rape trials, and lacy petterson, but according to CNN or Fox news thats all there ever is. Good news doesn't bring in ratings bad news does and thats what it is all about and thus it is an endless cycle which just makes us more afraid of everyone else and that is what michael moore is trying to get across and that is why i like it. Now shocky and i am sure a couple others pointed out that the facts are not all true, well watch any documentry that takes a stance and you will see that it is constrewed to lie and point in favor of themselves not the opposition that is what those types of documentries do....atleast this is what all my film books and all the documentries ive ever watch have told me.

Also if you want to debate the movie i suggest starting another folder and keeping this folder to the topic

::steps down from his soap box:::

PMM

Potato-VS- · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 4:33 pm Post subject:

Here goes potato RANT TIME YAY!

[begin potato's rant NOW]
Yea Ive heard about all that bowling for colimbine shit and it really pisses me off. What the site says is 100% true - Michael Moore is really just a propoganda spewing hypocrit who wouldnt know patriotism from his right ass cheek's pimples. He says that everyone should spread around the wealth in his new book (Dude, wheres my country?) and yet hes made millions off his previous books, appearences, and documentaries. Has he given any away? No not that I know of. He spews 50% facts and 50% heresay. He constantly distorts facts so that it fits with his view of how the world and the US in general should behave on a global setting. Meanwhile he doesnt even do what he says. He even goes to the point of criticing the government when he sure as all hell couldn't do anything better - I HIGHLY doubt that he could run a country the size of the united states and have 100% of the people love him. OH NEVER MIND HE'D HAVE OPRAH DO IT FOR HIM! (has anyone here noticed his slight obsession with Oprah

?) He plays on stereotypes, lies. As he said on Today:

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Speaker's Xeno · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 5:56 pm Post subject:

well thank u everyone i have some great ideas for a paper and i think i can make it a good one too. if i remember ill post my paper in this forum but if i do get comfortable cause it has to be 6-6.5 pages long. my teacher said i could use this as a source/reference but...and this is his only concern... that this is a bias poll and since it doesnt meet regular polls i cant really use it (regular polls have 1000 ppl polled) but im still going to refer back to this for ideas and suggestions.

thanks again

peace

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shockwave · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 6:03 pm Post subject:

Potato-VS- · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 6:47 pm Post subject:

Your teacher sounds like a very reasonable person! Wish my teachers were that way

that reminds me... I gotta write a 1500+ paper on the war of 1812 for monday

and potato hasnt started yet.

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JEHU · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 8:09 am Post subject: Violence

I play DOD, Hitman, and other "violent" games and have never killed anyone... yet.
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powdermilkman · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:41 am Post subject:

ah the war of 1812..creating future presidents and a famous battle that should of never been fought in New Orleans that one could easily argue changed the nation forever.

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Speaker's Xeno · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:58 am Post subject:

so far (this is only my rough draft and i have to extend it to 6 pages but 3.5 is good for now i have used quotes from Species and VP for all u others i thank u for your help and will have to relook over this thread to see if i can cause anymroe brainstorms

thanks and peace out
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