Hell of a show in Vegas

Bright Red Nipples · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 10:47 am Post subject: Hell of a show in Vegas

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SpeCies · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 12:01 pm Post subject:

Don't mistreat these animals is all that I say. People only see what goes on on stage and not the abuse that these performers bestow on these innocent beasts behind close doors.

You can take the cat out of the wild, but you can't take the wild out of the cat.

Good for the cat! Maybe these people will stop the abuse

Why would anyone beat a 800pound cat anyway with a mic. Stupid !

Violent Pacifist · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 12:08 pm Post subject:

shockwave · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 12:12 pm Post subject:

Stevo · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 12:31 pm Post subject:

SpeCies · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 1:50 pm Post subject:

Those of you who live in vegas who have seen these acts actually don't see what goes on behind close doors, you are only seeing the outcome of what these people put these animals through that gets them to behave this way performing.

The pieces of meat that you see these trainers throw to the cats comes from starvation. This cat is 7yrs old and was bred in captivity around humans, so it has learned to do what it's told to do, that is if it wants to eat ?

Natures natural instinct is to subdue and kill what is endangering them or to satisfy the animals hunger.

I had a Rock Python. When it was small my cat "Shithead" would paw the heck out of it as it crawled around the house exploring, now the cat kept it's claws retracted while it was playing with the snake so no harm ever came to the reptile from scratches.

After a few years the snake eventually was around 5ft in length and was up to munching on 2 full grown rabbits a month. I awoke one morning to a loud ass screeching noise that was coming from out in the living room, so I got up and I went to go investigate this, there on the floor was "Bubba" my snake wrapped around "Shithead" which was kicking and now scratching the crap out of the snake.

The snake must of got fed-up with getting pawed and reacted in the only way it knew how, squeeze it, kill it, and eat it.

Lucky for "Shithead" I got out there in time.

Anyway, it's just that I don't believe it's ethical to keep these animals caged up for human profit. Especially when most are mistreated. I am guilty of doing the same thing with a snake although it was never abused I still felt guilty about it

Some thing's are meant to be left wild!

powdermilkman · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 2:24 pm Post subject:

Hey species i am not doubting that most circus performance animals are badly mistreated in fact one of my favorite charities helps circus animals who have been abused and rescued from their horrible conditions. I know first hand (i have been to the ranch where they hold these animals once rescued) how badly these animals are in need of food, good living conditions and love. Now Siegfried and Roy donate thousands if not millions of dollars to perserving the white tiger (a rare and practically extinct animal) i believe whole hardly that they do nothing to harm these animals. Yes these animals have been breed by humans and raised around humans since they were kittens but Siegfried and Roy are specialist and the best in their field when it comes to training tigers. These tigers live a very very very good life for their entire existence in this world. Often times the tigers you see in the show have lived with Siegfried and Roy since the day they were born and know both of the magicians as a dog would know its owner. Sure you can never fully breed out the wild cat in these animals nor should you and that is when things like this happen.

Now tigers as a species of animal are heavily endangered and in our life time more than likely will cease to exist naturally in the wild, just a sad fact of life. People like Siegfried and Roy are doing the absolute best thing in my mind or these wonderful creatures will no longer exist for us and our children to see and enjoy.

Finally i think this was a fluke accident..i read somewhere it was the animals first time performing and sure they work with the creature a hundred billion times before it goes on stage. It more than likely got scared and the end result was Roy being mauled. Anywho enough of me rambling on.

FragFailure · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 3:31 pm Post subject:

Couple of points...

I don't like Siegfried and Roy. I don't like those goofy animal and magic shows. However there's a lot of things you may want to know.

S & R are known as some of the biggest animal humanitarians around the globe. They invest their money in saving wildlife. Most of the animals in Vegas have been out of the wildlife for years. They probably wouldn't survive if they went back to the wild. They are mostly treated with the greatest of care. If it was someone else I could see it. However S & R put their money where their mouthes are when it comes to saving wildlife. This incident is a fluke.

The animal who attacked Roy is currently in quarrantine. Roy also jokes every show that it's the animal's first time on stage.
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[NoClan]Lunt · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 3:38 pm Post subject:

I dont mean to make light of this situation because it is very sad, but the first thing that entered my mind was "I hope that Tiger doesn't contract aids......" I apologize in advance.......

And on a lighter note...have you seen the commercial that starts out with "Constipation can be very uncomfortable...." and I said to my wife" especially when your trying to take a shit..." she didnt think that was funny......I thought it was......

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Violent Pacifist · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 4:37 pm Post subject:

SpeCies · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 5:05 pm Post subject:

Shockwave, Frag, Violent Pacifist, I am not doubting what any of you are saying about what these guys do as far as they're humanitarian efforts in preservation of these animals go I wish all of those who hold these mammals in captivity would follow they're lead and then maybe my outlook upon this industry would not be as negitive as it is now.

Maybe one day this opinion will change but I doubt it. As long as a profit can be made at the expense of these creatures there is alway's going to be someone out there exploiting them and giving people like Siegfried & Roy a bad image.

Not neccessarily Violent Pacifist, my snake had a room to itself. There were many adays where it was not hungry and the rodent would hop around it and nip it and the snake would strike at it but not consume it until it was ready for it

SpeCies · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:32 pm Post subject:

Here is a email that was sent to me regarding this incident which I am well aware of and in spite of what the public is lead to believe

Thank you for your note to PETA and for your concern. I have attached a copy of the letter that we sent to Siegfried & Roy for your convenience.

While all of us at People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) hope that Roy Horn will make a full recovery after being mauled by a white tiger, we also hope that this tragic incident will finally convince Siegfried & Roy to make animals disappear from their act.

It is not uncommon for frustrated captive animals to lash out at their captors and attempt to escape when they get a chance. Being on constant display is no life for a big cat—and it’s dangerous. In an attack that occurred before horrified tourists at Siegfried & Roy’s compound, a male tiger grabbed a female tiger by the throat and slowly choked her to death. According to a tourist who witnessed the incident, the male tiger had a stranglehold on the female’s neck for at least 20 minutes, and “nobody did anything ... no animal trainer was on hand” to intervene. Trainers have been killed, members of the public have been injured, and rebelling animals have been shot to death. To view the extensive list of recent attacks by animals forced to perform, please visit PETA’s Web site http://circuses.com/cattacks.html.

It’s a common misconception that Siegfried & Roy breed white tigers for conservation. White tigers are not endangered—they’re not even considered a species. All captive white tigers are inbred, and many suffer from serious congenital defects, including cataracts, club feet, and near-crippling hip ailments. The American Zoo and Aquarium Association condemns the breeding of white tigers because it serves no conservation purpose. They are simply bred to bring in money-spending curiosity seekers, such as Vegas tourists. While Siegfried & Roy have always said great things about conservation (and done some things, too), their show runs totally contrary to the message. Obviously, a brightly lit, loud stage is not an exotic animal’s natural habitat. What’s more, their show is produced by Kenneth Feld—owner of Ringling Bros., which has a long, horrible record of cruelty to animals across the country, including forcing a dying baby elephant to perform.

When not performing, the Siegfried & Roy tigers are kept on display in a Plexiglas-fronted enclosure in the main hallway of The Mirage, where tens of thousands of people gawk at them every day. Gilda, a solitary elephant used in Siegfried & Roy’s casino act, is deprived of a female elephant’s most basic need: the companionship of other elephants. The duo has refused PETA’s requests to send Gilda to The Elephant Sanctuary, where she could live the remainder of her life in peace and enjoy the company of other elephants.

I hope this information has helped. Please visit www.Circuses.com to learn more about animals who are forced to perform and what you can do to help.

Sincerely,

Bobbi Short

PETA Correspondent

October 6, 2003

Roy Horn and Siegfried Fischbacher
c/o University Medical Center Community Relations
1800 W. Charleston Blvd.
Las Vegas, NV 89102

Dear Roy and Siegfried:

First, let me express our best wishes and sincere hope that Roy will make a full recovery.

As you might imagine, our warm wishes also include a plea to get out of the sad business of breaking the spirit of wild animals and forcing them to perform. Perhaps Friday’s frightening incident will make you realize that a brightly lit stage with pounding music and a screaming audience is not the natural habitat for tigers, lions, or any other exotic animals. The only natural thing that happened on that stage was that this majestic animal lashed out against a captor who was beating him with a microphone because he wouldn’t do a trick. No matter how much you say that you love the wild animals whom you have confined continents away from their natural homes, you are still the men who have subjugated their wills and natures to further your own careers.

We, as well as thousands who’ve called us from around the world, urge you and the Mirage to use some of the millions of dollars you’ve made from exotic animals to build a state-of-the-art sanctuary and immediately retire Montecore and all the other animals in your compound. You are now in a unique position to show the world both that you have lived and learned and that you have true respect for animals by leaving them some shred of the life that nature intended.

Sincerely,

Dan Mathews
Vice President

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Pornstar · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 4:06 pm Post subject:

From what I read today of the official report is. That the tiger had become interested in a big haired woman in the front row. The tiger went up to the edge, about 4 feet from the women, and layed down. The woman thought it was an act and reached out to the tiger to scratch its neck. Siegfried felt something was not right and tried to call the tiger away, but it would not. When Siegfried tried harsher commands and got the tiger moving, he then tripped in which case the tiger then picked him up by the scruff (like a baby tiger) and dragged him off stage.

Bright Red Nipples · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 4:07 pm Post subject:

That email was all over the news here in vegas, at least on the radio. Although they might have a good point I think the timing was way off. The least they could have done was wait for him to make some kind of recovery.
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powdermilkman · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 4:23 pm Post subject:

PETA even though their puprose is supposed to be for good they always conveiently try to push their ideas when something bad has happend. I have little to no respect for PETA and this doesn't just come from this incident but from a lot of incidents spanning over a long period of time. I think they mean well but just don't get the big picture case in point the MINK story where they released a bunch of minks' into the wild which had been in captivity for a long time only to have all the minks get eaten up within two weeks. Before you ask how did they know they got eaten all of them had tracking becons on.

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