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Octogoogles · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2002 2:33 am Post subject:

I just wanted to say I am sorry you got vote kicked after you said you would stop using remotes! I did not start the vote but I did vote for the kick; however that was before i noticed you said you would stop. I realize that remotes are a part of the game and so it should be allowed to use them! I just think they should be used for mg's or sg's helping yur team cap! All I saw was remotes and never you the player as such I remarked on it. I have not seen you ever be unsportsman like and I do not want to start a beef! Annyway my appologies!

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Guest · Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2002 1:19 am Post subject:

I started the vote, and by the time it was over you said you'd stop, how convenient. Anyway I apologies for kicking you...
Another person I would like to thank is Cycomom. With out her random intervention into a situation she knew nothing about, I get banned after releiving the server of a nuisunce. If only I had sat around and kept dying I'd be playing this weekend. ironic.
Wasn't there just a post about being a leader? it's not like he couldn't come tight back in! I'm not able to ban him.
Anyway sorry for the abuse of power but something needs to be done about these people that remote and kill themselves.
Thats all I have to say.

Robert E. Lee · Registered User Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 2904

Since you still have a shitty attitude you're banned from the forums for 3 days too.

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FragFailure · Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2002 1:32 am Post subject:

Your banning for the week seems to also be in conjunction with the 'tude you've had here. Some of the admins who have played with you feel that you've been violating rule #1 for awhile now. However, we personally haven't seemed to cross pathes except once or twice on any server.

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Octogoogles · Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2002 2:20 am Post subject:

I just want to say that I have known Snay for many years and he takes great pride in playing HL in a very sportsman like manor. He plays straight up, no cheap shots or spam or anything like that. As his friend he started the kick vote protecting me. Now I cant believe that annybody who has played on his team did not enjoy having him as a team mate. Yes he has a sarcastic sense of humor, but I started a forum on this a couple of days ago and most of the replies where not critical to this aspect of the game. Annyway my point is, appart from beeing a bit quick on the trigger with the kick vote, (witch, up until Pattons comment about discontinuing what he was doing, was not completely unwarrented.)Snay is a great team player. Snay should be judged by his abillity and style of play. I think it is normal for a player that playes by the book to be extra critical towards players who don't. In any case this whole ordeal was unfortunate, and also blown out of proportions, if patton had rejoined, I am sure both Snay and I would have commended him, if he seized to play in the manor he was playing, we might be assholes, but not randomly

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CyC0Dad · Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2002 3:02 am Post subject:

I for one don't enjoy playing on the same server as Snay. His Nasty mouth and shitty attitude annoys me. He has never quite crossed the line when I was on but he pushes it to the limit.

I don't know why you two think you have the right to tell someone how they should play this game. If you didn't like getting killed by the rockets then go snipe and make the AML that shoots them down. Or avoid them, it's not like they are invisible or something.

As for CyCoMom, she understood what was going on better than either of you did. You act and react and don't really think about the real whys and wherefors. She didn't get Snay banned, his mouth and attitude in the Log did that.

I really feel sorry for people like Snay. They can't take responsibilityy for their actions and it is always someone elses fault. Life is never fair to them and they end up having a miserable life because of their own doing and yet still blame it on everyone else. But just because I feel sorry for him doesn't mean I care to be exposed to it. If you want to play here then play and leave your cocky attitudes and obnoxious behavior at home, or risk a permanent ban.

Octogoogles · Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2002 4:03 am Post subject:

I agree I am not the one to tell annybody how to play the game, and if you check the log you will see that I stated to patton that I do not mind him using the remotes, just not only using the remotes.And also, yes, I could have changed class to take him out if need be. The problem is that players will stay in their base shoot their two rockets from the base and then kill themselves in order to get two more, continuing to do so all game. through out that particular evening there where several players who would be minus double figures because they would do this procedure over and over. That is why frustratiopns where running high. You have to concede that this is a misuse of the remote rockets, and somewhat, if not unfair, then at least a rather courdly style of play. Not unlike a spamming engy running into a base knowing he will die tossing all his nades around a respawn area. As for criticising cycomom or any other admin. I have not played this game enough, nor do I know the Ville players well enough to critisize anyone. I guess Snay would have liked the situation to have been delt with differently, and he is vocal on the issue. In any case we both apologized to patton, and we would have done so regardless of cycomoms reaction to the case or this ban. We realized that we had been rash in our descision and unfortunately Patton was kicked before anything could be done about it. It should also be mentioned that it takes more than two votes to kick someone, and so the general concensus was to kick. Now as I stated before I have not played long, but I know you don't get voted against unless there is a damn good reason.

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EagleEyes · Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2002 7:59 am Post subject:

Of course anyone can start a vote to kick someone. But if only that one person votes to kick him and the rest don't, then the person will not be kicked. So some people on his team must have not liked what he was doing to have him kicked, right?

BigCaulk69 · Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2002 8:33 am Post subject:

ok well i know i'm not involved here, but i wanted to chime in and give my opinion. first off, cycodad is right on everything he said. secondly, if the remote missles were bothering you so much then someone should have become a sniper and built an antimissle launcher. not only will that destroy the remotes, but it will also force the person to use the other or kill themselves because of the freezing bug.

octo...your comparison to an engy spamming the respawn is invalid because from what i understand patten wasnt spamming the respawn. also while annoying as hell there is nothing wrong, illegal, or immoral about spamming. the same goes for remote missle "spamming", except remote missles are very easy to defend against if you have a sniper that can type buildspecial2. you people remind me of guy who would bitch about "rushing" in age of kings as if it was not meant to be in the game and cannot be defended against. remotes are the easiest NTF addition to defend against, and there is no reason to whine about them.

finally, i think its kind of funny how octo called snay a sportsman when he clearly acted like a cock in his post. also it is absurd for some people to bark orders, criticize, and get on other people's ass for playing the game for fun. if you want to take the game seriously all the time then only play league matches or something like that. there are so many things about this situation and attitudes present that bother me but i will stop now....

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CyC0Dad · Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2002 11:05 am Post subject:

OK, Where to start and still keep it short and to the point ?

Hey BigCaulk69, no kissing up to admins except to Frag. Loved ages and I was always rushing and having to listen to the whinning. Big rusher in EE now as well. People actually start crying and yelling "Cheat" when you attack with 3 cavs at the 5 minute mark. Ok now to serious matters.

EagleEyes and others. The main problem I have with the Kick Vote is that lots of people use the number keys to change weapons or other purposes. I know I've accidentally voted to kick someone before I even realized a vote was in progress. Easy to happen, respawn as spy, switch to knife, what do you mean I voted to kick him ?? BS !! Some other people don't follow things and assume since someone started a kick vote there must be a good reason.

As for your comments Octo... CyCoMom isn't an Admin and had nothing to do with the ban. Snays comments in the Log and his constant obnoxious attitude won him that action. The only thing that kept you from sharing that fate was the self initiated apparently sincere apology. Unlike Snay whos' half assed attempt at an apology is more insulting than silence.

The remote missles are new and as such people are practicing flying them around. How DARE you try and tell someone what they should target with the remote rockets ?? Nothing you are complaining about is against the rules on the servers. The kick vote was abused since it is there to kick people who are breaking the rules of the server. Patten broke no rules !! You don't like it, post in the forums and get a ruling but don't make up your own rules here, this isn't your server.

You really need to stop saying WE because as far as I can see you are two very different people and the WE don't fly here. Your view of Snay is very different from the general opinion out there now. You might want to take a good look at who your hanging with, because you will often be judged by the company you keep.... Please stop trying to make excuses and just accept you were wrong.

That is all I have to say on this issue....

Octogoogles · Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2002 1:04 pm Post subject:

The reason cycomoms name keeps popping up is because she saw the event and then got an admin I think it was Rob. Snay and I did not really get a chance to voice our oppinions before rob had left and the rest is history. Annyway that is besides the point. Me mentioning Snay as sportsman was pertaining to his playing style. I think Eagle eyes can vouch for this after having gone on to a grudge match with him. I dont think eagle eyes has had any probs with Snay after the match. Also Snay and I are very different players, but we where both questioned in this ordeal thus the "we". I realize that Snay and I might be more serious then most and accordingly we might react harshly. I will start a forum on this issue and see what the players come up with! Annyway I accept annyones views on the issue, 69, but I would like someone to voice their true opinions instead of kiss ass. I respect annyones point of view and I am willing to accept whatever the general concensus is. It just happend that the general concensus on this issue during the game was to kick.

CyC0Dad · Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2002 1:12 pm Post subject:

Just to point out the obvious here but if Mom went for an Admin it would have been me. Rob heard about it elsewhere and came on and asked what happened. He didn't need your side of the story because he has the Logs. Once more you have made an assumption which is incorrect. People could have easily pressed the 1 key for some other reason and unintentionally voted so just because he got kicked doesn't mean it was a conscious effort on their part. Some day you might grow up and realize you don't know it all.

FragFailure · Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2002 1:16 pm Post subject:

CyCoDad DOES know it all. You da man!

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Hamese · Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2002 1:17 pm Post subject:

HIMO, You are beating a dead horse. I do not want to sound rude because I have not had any problems, in game or out, with Snay or you. I can see where a kick vote can be good and bad. If it needs to take an admin to desifer that, then disable for non-admins.

Personaly I think that the vote was not right. Pattern has played here a long time and doesn't cause trouble. If you dont like Neo-TF, goto a differnet server, or follow suggestions above. Remote Missle can go any where a person can steer them.

Also, there is no point in getting this deep into a situation with an admin. In the begining you can state your opinion, but if that doesn't help neither will arguing. Take the one week ban and come back to play.

I dont want to see anything harsh, like Snay leaving, because of this. And my opinions(good ones) of Snay have not changed.

Octogoogles · Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2002 1:25 pm Post subject:

Good enough! It is over and done with.