[Chen Kenichi]

Aliasing to teamstack? I've never felt such a strange sense of hilarity, pity, and fury all mixed together. The statement is absurd and offensive, but the comic value is grand.

I usually have different names because I was playing on a different server, actually. If I see people I know and get into a good game, I'll tell them who I am, if they haven't asked already. I don't think anyone here is 'hiding' to 'teamstack' and 'own.' Funny too... I just came back from TVIII where I played five rounds... and all of them were fair... weird.
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[FragFailure]

Here's the reason why I made the statement about aliasing...

1. The team stacking issue has been one for some time.

I'm going to use names in scenarios. Don't take it personal. I'm using a few people who were probably there and a few other ville regs.

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Scenario 1

BLUE TEAM 100

[njk]Chen 52-18
Lio 35-16
[njk]M+R 26-8
[BR]Hat 20-11
[BR]Kami 9-9

RED TEAM 10

KRG 22-12
<TVB>AG 22-32
<TVB>Frag 19-22
Turbo 10-21
Stevo 9-18


In figure 1 which were a representation of what the teams were (not exact, but similar in skill.) Team 1 on Well is made up of at least four league players. Team 2 has one former league player. I'd say it's stacked.

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Scenario 2

Substitute the Blue Teams real names with these aliases (for example)

BLUE TEAM 100

crasH 52-18
uh 35-16
noodle 26-8
Mother of all HW's 20-11
mOo 9-9


RED TEAM 10

KRG 22-12
<TVB>AG 22-32
<TVB>Frag 19-22
Turbo 10-21
Stevo 9-18



Scenario 2 shows to me that people are aliasing to get around from being accused of team stacking. Same example players but under an alias. The "point" of being a ville reg is to not alias.
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[DJ George]

I also want to know is this -- If people are aliasing to keep others from knowing who they are, how can you team stack? After all, if one "elitest" joins an game, and sees abunch of regs on one team, so he decides to blance it out by joining the other team. Now you having stacking, since the people don't know that they are on the same team. But if the went under thier own names they would still be acused of stacking. Basically, if one team is losing, the other team must be stacked, since we are all such leet players here who never lose and always use perfect team work
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[MuLiShA]

Ok, first of all, TFC is not dead, its only dead at the ville due the the ips changing every few weeks or so. I can easily name tons of servers that are full almost 24/7. As for someone saying bunnyhopping ruined the game, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Bunnyhopping has been an important part since it was first created, it is not some hack or script but can be done by anyone with just a little bit of work. If you don't enjoy playing or don't play TFC, you should stay out of this discussion because you have no idea what is going on.

Secondly, teamstacking is not done purposely. As much as you all want to believe we get our joy when we own or whatever, pubs are for fun, even for league players. If there is an uneven amount of skill, it is done by random. Think about it, if you get this amount of players joing a certain amount of times, it will not be even 100% of the time. The aliasing to teamstack is pure crap. I alias because I don't like being treated differently because I'm in a certain clan or a certain person.

In my mind, is it not the uneven games that ruin it. I can recall the that game that was 210-0. I was on the winning team and I had no idea who I was playing with until later. In fact, more and more people kept joining the server. It wasn't until a certain admin changed the physics/gravity even though the majority did NOT want it. The server did not die until an admin changed the map, which emptied the server. If you don't believe me, look at the logs, they speak for themself. Just because the score is uneven doesn't mean its stacking. Did you ever realize that one team may be that bad or uncoordinated? I'm just sick and tired defending myself even though its not done purposely. TFC has maintained the same players the last 1-2 years since I've played, and it is these type of actions that ruin the game. Is it that important to win that you have to kick/ban a certain group of players?
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[Turbo!]

I think the point that is trying to be made is more leaning towards the amount of skill on one team. Not the tags who ever is on that team is wearing.

I wasnt present during this certain incident (I think I left right before this happened) so I dont know exactly what happened. So perhaps maybe the admin present was a little harsh. But then again, if this issue is a problem (I dont play enough TFC these days to really notice) then the admins have the right and the duty to deal with it. Perhaps it could have been handled differently, perhaps it couldnt.

I know how frustrating it can be to play warpath and have the other team win after about 30sec. - 1min of play. I think that if your team is constantly doing that, then maybe you should think about switching teams, at least for a little while.

Mulisha has a point. Sometimes skilled members are stuck on the same team through the auto-assign option and are unable to switch teams.

Issues like team stacking require a judgement call on the admins part. The admins have been carefully selected and are here to make things fun for everyone. But when everyone bitches at the admins that just makes it so things arent fun. Things definately arent that fun around here when we all get split into one or two sides about issues like this and everyone gets pissed off. I think that everyone has made a valid point and that we should all get back to playing. If the issue of team stacking continues, then that admins can take action.

Why is TFC getting less popular (not dieing)? Because were all here in the forums and not playing!

Anyway, im super tired and i dunno if I made any sense with what i just said. just my 2 cents/random mumblings
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[Chen Kenichi]

I know the situation was hypothetical, but it is still an exaggeration. That rarely happens, and it wouldn't take a full team to run up a score. Plus, it was unintenional even if it did happen. So, the solution... do you really think bans and kicks are necessary? Did anyone suggest a switch? Do you even know if the people knew each other? Did you ask if anyone would mind being switched to team two? You're treating this like we're doing it on purpose and out of spite.

Blackhawk, didn't you know,?? We all set a time to get on, meet in irc, plan out our aliases, and all go to join the same team.

And just to add, teamstacking complaints have been around forever. Especially during stat days, people would whine and whine about how one team is better. There wasn't a resident clan to place the blame on at the time though.
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[MuLiShA]

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Read the forums and then tell me TFC is dead.

To add, as chen mentioned, this complaint has been around since I first started here. Some team gets owned and people complain. And to note krg, I do not have a TFC career as you say and spend all my time on the computer. If you knew me, you wouldn't be saying that. Please keep personal attacks out of this, you being an admin to should have known that in the first place, right?
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[FragFailure]

The question still stands. If you are a regular at The Ville. Why is everyone aliasing? There's no point.
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[EagleEyes]

Ok Frag, what happened to you man? You used to be laid back, now you are so up tight. Anyways, KRG and everyone else complaining about teamstacking, lighten up man. No one is intentionally joining a team just to "own" the noobs. Come on, I think teamstacking is just an excuse to losing. Get over it, it's not the end of the world if your team loses. Stop taking the scores so personally. I have been on a team with complete noobs, and the other team has some regs, and we still win. It's called teamwork. It helps alot when 9 players play together not just doing there own thing. But that can't be helped, so just live with it and move on. I think the reason TV is dieing is because everyone is so uptight. Really guys it's a game not life. Well that's my whole take on the situation. Oh and I still like playing at TV. Ya, that's all.
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I'll use the round Frag pointed out as an example. Firstly, crasH isnt [njk]RC, and "uh" isnt lio.

The round started out on Well with only around 5 people. "uh" and I ended up on the same team from autojoin and on the other team was Albino, SparX and one or two other people whom I dont recall joined as well. "uh" started off as scout and started capping because basically, the other team had no defense. The members of the red team played yard deathmatching. I went offense a few times, and there was not a single person in their flagroom, or even really in their base. In this situation, how can you not expect to be capped on a lot? More people started joining the game, but basically, reds team was not helping themselves any. They had a soldier on their own roof shooting random rockets, some other yard deathmatchers, and one or two offense. I dont have a problem with people playing whatever/wherever they want or find enjoyable, but please dont complain about alleged teamstacking when the team losing isnt really doing anything to help themselves.

Additionally, "uh", one of the supposed teamstackers, was kicked by an admin present for the comment "gaw, you lose." The admin stated "I dont have time for smartass remarks", when the comment wasnt even directed toward the admin, but was directed at me, in a joking manner. The map was then changed by the admin to 2fort without warning or a vote. Soon after, the server emptied. This is not the type of adminning beneficial to theville tfc community, while blaming it on people for alleged teamstacking. That sort of thing doesnt accomplish anything.
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