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Mr.Kason Allen
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| Greebo wrote: | Um...Gelly, who was that aimed at?
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What I was wondering. YPAWOM I think ...scuse me "hope" 
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I didn't get married for religious or any other reason. I got married because I found a great woman and wanted to raise a family. I have been happily married for almost 9 years now. I have a great son which most of you have probably already seen. For me marriage has been a great thing.
I am a lot of freedom as well. I can do what ever I want whenever I want, which usually isn't very much very often. I am not told that I CAN'T do something because she doesn't want me to do it. But at the same time I allow her those same freedoms.
Marriage may not be for everyone or it might be just a matter of timing for those that are against it. For me it has been a great thing.
Do what you feel is right Vicoden. I think everybody has friends like yours with those opinions. You must live your own life to your expectations and not those of others.
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SilverOne, you forgetting someone? It's not gonna happen  |
With all the serious discussion going around that really made me laugh 
Hoaxie and Warhammer,
you guys(girl) nailed it down pretty well. I don't think I can really add on much more to what I've already said and your two posts.
and yes GellyRoll's reply was aimed at me, and she should have left it at her first post, sorry, but now I have to dissect it.
| GellyRoll wrote: | | Okwhat you said is not true. I dont think you need to push your ideas on me! I wanna get married becasue i wanna be with one person. If i was the typical stereotype i would think that i have to wait for marriage for sex. |
I'm Not pushing any ideas on you. Why do you have to get married to be with one person? I'll leave the stereotype answer for later in this reply when you backtrack on it.
| GellyRoll wrote: | | The hardest thing to do in life is having a marrage and having kids. |
Hohoho, that's a laugh. From a biological standpoint having kids is the easiest thing for a reproducing organism such as humans to do, it's almost our entire purpose, species preservation through reproduction is the fundamental purpose of all organisms. As humans we've outgrown our niche in the world and can now choose whether we want to reproduce or not. But should we decide to, our bodies, and psyche is geared for it explicitly.
Marriage on the other hand was invented by religion and society as a way for men to claim more stuff as as property. And if you remember, marriage was used as a barter system like money...wives often came with a promise of land, or a heap of cattle or something, and of course she'd have babies to continue your lineage.
The hardest things in life to do are not marriage and childrearing, sorry to burst your bubble. I'm sure some people on the board can offer up some harder things. How abuot surviving life threatening cancer, then coming through it and winning 5 consecutive Tour De Frances? How about Commanding an army, Running a country, or multimillion dollar a year corporation? How about performing neurosurgery every day without being allowed a single error when working with things as small as nerve endings?
People in 3rd world countries with no skills or education or literacy or anything can get married and have kids.
| GellyRoll wrote: | | If you dont have kids i believe that your not doing anything worth anything in life. I believe one of the reasons god put use on this earth is because he wants us to go though hard things so we become a better person and enlight our spirtes. |
Please excuse me if my eyes pop out of my head and roll around on the floor. I don't even know where to begin on that one. This not being the time nor place for theological discussion I'll limit myself to the first sentence.
So, childless people are worthless in life. That statement is so foolish and offensive I can barely contain myself. So if someone doesn't plan to have kids should they just kill themselves as they are of no worth or use?! Excuse us worthless childless scumbags for existing, please dispose of our highly useless bodies and burn us as firewood along with these books banned by the church.
| GellyRoll wrote: | | Look im not trying to judge what you do in your life and you dont need to do that to me. You dont have to believe in it, but i do. I dont think anything matters not school not anything you learn. I believe the best thing you can do is grow old with the person you love and raise a family. Its hard, but i think i would rather have problems then be prefect. I wanna work on my problems and be the best person i can be. Please dont try to change what i think i dont think that post was called for. |
Again, wow. Stunning wisdom and insight. Apparently school and learning don't matter, well hell, what am I doing learning all this useful information everywhere for, screw that I wanna be ignorant! Now doesn’t' that sound ridiculous? That's basically what you just said. Now for the stereotypical part since we've come to it again. This is what I talked about earlier. It sounds like all you care about in your life is finding a husband and popping out some babies, probably shopping at the mall and gossiping in the spare time when you aren't cleaning house or watching babies. That's the old mould for the Housewife Stereotype that mostly went extinct after the women's liberation movement. I can't help but disagree with everything you've said, it almost seems like you don't plan on contributing anything to humanity but 2.5 children. If that is your only goal and aspiration in your entire lifetime, what a sad one indeed. Although this is why I added "You're only 13 there is still time". You're still very young and you don't really know much, I have Cats older than you. I guarantee you will think and be different when you age 10 years...and if not, at least the major corporations will be happy to add another sheep to its flock of easily controlled consumers.
This isn't being directed at you to be mean and spiteful, and I'm not forcing anything on you. I merely know quite a bit and I can judge character and people with an incredible knack and accuracy. I tell people the truth, no matter how ugly or dirty it is. You may not want to look at it or acknowledge its existence, and it may offend you, but as the saying goes "Don't Shoot the Messenger"
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Well I salute you Powers, you disected that very well. Now as someone that is 30, isn't married, doesn't have kids and doesn't plan on having kids I'll go jump off a bridge so I don't inconveinence Gelly by taking up space.
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mmmmkkk im gonna back away get a box of mre's several hundred gallons of water and head down to the local bomb shelter. .......................then again popcorn isn't such a bad idea.....then again heading for the hills isn't either........hmmmm......I have to much to say and so much of it is either garbage or hmmm garbage..............ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPPPP
WTF am I talking about here we go----->WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe
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I come from a great family situation, caring parents married for 29 years. So I don't have personal experience with bad marriages, just what I see others go thru. I don't want to get married because of the generations of people before me or because in my religion God says I should (more or less). I guess its kind of a security issue, or a way to seal the deal so to speak. In my mind its more than just a "piece of paper", Vows are exchanged. Vows have lost their importance thru the years, back in the day someones word meant more than it does now. I guess if you feel it is just a piece of paper than I don't know if I would want to trust you with a secret. If you feel that all you are doing is repeating what the pastor is telling you then you are probably not ready to be married or don't understand the importance of what you are saying. This is true obviously for alot of people with the divorce rate at what it is.
But you can't fight the facts or the statistics of marriage/divorce. I would rather not know what they are, and its sad that for some of you that is the first thing you thought of. With negative thinking like that on your mind, it must be hard for you to go into any situation and succeed. I think if people didn't know what the divorce rate was, many wouldn't be so quick to get one. I'm sure alot of them brush it off as "It happens all the time to other people" Instead of looking at themselves and thinking of someway THEY could try harder to make the marriage work.
Frag,
It shouldn't matter what your social status is, that is not the reason why you haven't found someone. Either it isn't your time yet or your attitude is getting in the way. I guess in a way I am your social status opposite, I am a decent looking guy, in great shape with a good job, lots of money, a house, some vacant land, and a brand new truck. BUT I have an extremely hard time finding a woman thats right for me. Alot of it has to be with me being awfully shy ( which many people take for be stuck-up) and I am also really picky. For some reason I only date girls that I could see myself marrying. YPAWOM Is going to hate that statment but its true, my mom always said date your mate, so maybe thats why, i dunno. I guess I just don't want to waste my time and money on the wrong girl just so that I won't be alone at night. Because nothing good can come from that. I guess Frag you just have to look at yourself for the problem instead of blaming an entire gender.
On a lighter note, although I picked #1 of course, I am no different from my friends. If I have a chance to score that weekend, then I will. Sorry, but I love sex! how can you not? As long as you both understand its just for fun and your careful about it, then why the hell not. Understand if this is a girl that I am interested in, this wouldn't be the case. But for all the rest.....game on |
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ON A LIGHTER NOTE ROFL hmmm yes
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| Bright Red Nipples wrote: | | I have a great son which most of you have probably already seen. |
he is a gringo
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| GellyRoll wrote: | | Okwhat you said is not true. I dont think you need to push your ideas on me! I wanna get married becasue i wanna be with one person. If i was the typical stereotype i would think that i have to wait for marriage for sex. |
Most people aren't virgins when they get married.
You don't like people pushing their ideas on you
| GellyRoll wrote: | | If you dont have kids i believe that your not doing anything worth anything in life. I believe one of the reasons god put use on this earth is because he wants us to go though hard things so we become a better person and enlight our spirtes. |
You ARE pushing your ideas on others. Since you're 14 I'm cutting you slack.
| GellyRoll wrote: | | Look im not trying to judge what you do in your life and you dont need to do that to me. You dont have to believe in it, but i do. I dont think anything matters not school not anything you learn. I believe the best thing you can do is grow old with the person you love and raise a family. Its hard, but i think i would rather have problems then be prefect. I wanna work on my problems and be the best person i can be. Please dont try to change what i think i dont think that post was called for. |
Same thing here. You don't like a an opposing opinon pushed on you. You turn around and do the same thing. Gelly if you start professing your beliefs to everyone then expect people to respond. If you insult someone by saying "If you dont have kids i believe that your not doing anything worth anything in life." You sould expect people to fire back as a few people did. Since you're younger and lived half the life (years) that I have. I'm going easy on you.
I've had differences of opinon with people at these boards. Now I basically try to say what I want once, argue back once, and then just agree to disagree. Life isn't a one size fits all for everyone. That's what makes life great.
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If life was made out of elastic it would  ROFL
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OK frag your right. IM a hypicrite. I always have been always will be. I dont know what more to say. I just wanna forget this hole thing happend because im pissing myself off as of others. Sorry if i affended any of you.
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%50 of marriages wind up in divorce and then they get half your shit  Plus you may wind up paying child support and or alimony payments enjoy 
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| Bada Bing wrote: | | %50 of marriages wind up in divorce and then they get half your shit Plus you may wind up paying child support and or alimony payments enjoy |
Yeah, it really is bad to pay money so your own child can grow up right
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Remember the old saying.. "Opinions are like assholes.. everybody's got one" Well, that applies to this thread.
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