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SpeCies
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Well, I apoligize for my comments also! But there are way tomany pot holes in the history of france to unjustly bash the USA after what it has done over the past 70yrs. The usa needs to quit trying to make the world a safer place for all and just look after ourselves for a change.
France has 15 centuries of self rightious moralism that they justify as an act of honor.
1) Who was it who blew a Green peace boat out of the water= France
2)Who was it aside from that King of Belgium who was the worst colonial monarch of that time, even worst then Britain and their tower of torture. Frances version of the term 'resistance' was to send MORE JEWS THAN THE NAZIS ASKED FOR during the holocaust during a conferance between the two nations? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Britain. Did they mention the transportation that they provided to the nazi death camps? Hmmm, I don't think so.
While the usa has various faults of it's own in it's own past, there is onething that is different between these two countries. 1) America does not run. 2)We accept responsibility for our mistakes when it's called for. Unlike france and it's famed myths of glory. France's failure in WWII and more significantly its nasty history of collaboration with the enemy have been covered up with a mythical French resistance on how they overcame defeat rather then accept the truth that it wasn't half as strong, half as dedicated, or half as French as the French would have the entire world believe.
Maybe I am not as well spoken as most here! But I do respect each and everyone of you. Don't pussy foot around with your indirect comments towards me when kissing the backsides of your buddies. It won't get you anywhere. If you disagree with an opinion of mine fine! But don't jump on the band wagon here just to run your mouth over something that does not concern you Torak. How would you respond to a remark such as being called "An ignorant Son of a Bitch" ? I've been known to stick your mouth on a curb and stomp the back of your head for saying such a thing. I am just making a point here on how some thing's affect other people differently than others! Immature ? I don't think so....It's just the way that I was brought up is all! No harm intended. Sorry! Species
| LilBigCip wrote: | | FragFailure wrote: | Rebuttal LBC...
1. The US traded much more with the Allies side rather the Axis side prior to Sept 1, 1939 and trade ended in 1940. In fact Roosevelt signed the "Lend Lease" agreement with the UK helping them out. That was a 99 year lease with the UK.Trade occurred with Germany in the early 30's due to the severe depression that happened after the end of WW1. It was pretty much necessary due (if you didn't have 20/20 hindsight) to the USA being right in the Great Depression. Roosevelt wanted nothing to do with the war up until being forced into it. The fact is that the people wanted to stay out of the conflict at all costs. In fact it was a big debate during his run for FDR's third term in 1939. The lesson is that you sometimes have to be proactive rather than reactive. History has shown that negotiation and treaties mean squat to someone who has the bigger gun and wants to use it. That goes both ways.
2. It wasn't the US's fault that Hitler was "appeased" during the late 30's. That allowed him to build to the point of being able to conquer Europe. These wars are candyass (Gulf War, Afghanistan, and this one) compared to what we went through in WW2.
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You do have good points and reasoning on the first topic and I respect that, although you cannot deny the fact that if the U.S. entered the war earlier France would have been held a lot easier causing less french deaths.
I do not agree with your second statement. The fact that the U.S. did not sign the Treaty of Versailles lead directly to the appeasement of Hitler. The U.S. did not sign the treaty because they did not wish to participate in the League of Nations, which would be monitoring these issues of appeasement. Although I don't see how this issue correlates with the War versus Iraq.
| MuLiShA wrote: | | The reason I say that about Germany (btw, my family came over form Germany in the 30s) is that after WW1, after trying to take over Europe. They were peaceful, but then came Hitler and easily turned them into what they were. If it only happened once, they I would understand, but 2 times. I am just saying it seems that the German population is easily swayed. |
It is easy to be swayed when people are starving and living in poverty.
| SpeCies wrote: | Unlike you who doesn't know his mother from common street garbage, I do. I would appreciate you watching who you call a "Son of a Bitch" got it! I would assume that you also have taken the time to see that America has bailed Frances sorry ass out twice within the past 90 yrs from demoralizing defeats such as a colonial war back in 1918 and WWII 1944. While france sat around drinking their café and sucking up to the Germans (Well, except for the 1.3 million French who died in World War I.)
When Germany threatened France during World War I our American troops came to Frances rescue. Then Thirty years later, when France was conquered by Nazi Germany and their people were enslaved, tens of thousands of our Americans gave their lives to defeat Frances German conquerors. Then after World War II, France was one of the largest beneficiaries of the U.S. Marshall Plan which saved the French from itself and poor government and rebuilt their economy once again. Did we ask for anything in return from France you moron ? No, we did not! Now all we get from France is opposition when we need their support.<which was 100% back in 91> Talk about a bunch of Ungrateful Bastards!
Let's not forget about when the Soviet Union threatened Europe during the Cold War and for over 40 years the American nuclear shield once again protected France from Soviet conquest. If it were not for the efforts of America's military, France, Germany and Belgium today would be Soviet socialist republics under communist rule. But what can you expect from politicians from a country that virtually surrendered to the Wehrmacht without a fight, and then eagerly collaborated with Nazi Germany? Such a confused little boy aren't ya! So my friend, like France you can kiss my hairy arse! Thank you! Now go get a life. |
Good observations, although I do not agree with them and forgive me for the rude comments I'm just sick and tired of people talking about how the U.S. saved France from both world wars. Although I believe you are choosing to forget something, which is the fact that U.S. may very well not have existed without the French. Going back 200+ years during our revolution the French contributed to the military effort for us to gain our independance. Going back to 91 when the French supported the U.S. effort against the Iraqis, the French offered military support to help. The U.S. replied that if U.S. fighters found French planes, they would be shot down. Why do we need their support now. |
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DaKon
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 1:10 am Post subject: |
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I am a man of few words and even more of mine poorly said.
Frane has now decided the will veto any US or UK attempt to help rebuild Iraq.
Funny. The us has set aside about 1.5 billion to do that. The French after WWII got rebuilt buy the US Britain AU and allies.
I am still worried but not shocked that the French could not see a dictator they thought was small. He app possed no threat to France nor most of norhter Europe.
Ignorzce is bliss I guess. That dictator that took France and killed 100 of thousands was HITLER.
Oh well. Several countries will stand up to make sure that does not hppen again...BTW what us military branch tipped of the French about Risen, and cyanaide...
It is petty a whole society will not stand up and dfend what they say they do freedom.
But so goes life. The ignorant will weep in sorro as it happens.
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GoldenSpy
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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This reminds me of the average U.S. soldier's perspective of different nationalites during WWII. It was in Band of Brothers, and I'm not quoting but here's the gist of it.
British- Welcoming but cool . Tolerant of the Americans' rowdiness and grateful for their help.
Dutch- Great people. People were glad to see the soldiers and gave them stuff when a town was liberated.
Germans- Also good people. Willingly shared their homes with soldiers, and were always hard at work clearing away wreckage and byproducts of war.
French- Aloof. Lazy. Unwashed. Not willing to help themselves, but expected the Americans to save them from Hitler.
I also noticed that there's a whole lotta generalizing in this thread. The French have done some great stuff, and they've got their heroes too. The Resistance in occupied France helped a whole lot. They made it a lot easier for the invading forces to come in and liberate France.
Lastly- are there any French people that post on these boards here? |
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thewz
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Paddyjack is French Canadian, I believe that Nuclei is a French Canadian too. |
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