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DaKon
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I am and was A Marine....And I am pissed.
Cobra from belgium you have no rite to give and shit to the US.
ESPEC about war.
Countried of Europe.
I get really offended when people when their coutry is free after 50 years to give a Pope John PauII.
I get realy even more upset as a Marine that the World and the fuckers do not ouch a country of pease.
IF YOU WANNA BRING I(T against jew, arabs. cathoics, pop you ass up now in Jordan.
I say this brothers, And do not lock this thread...3rd sqaud &th Calv see this ok all lovelive andsurvive...
What I hate is my ancestry in France....notrhing but cowards. And no honor.
I say this as a old man but you dumb shits want to do this in Israel....
Go right Agail
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PFFT!!!!!! Where would France be today if it was not for the allied forces who helped liberate them from out of Germanys grasp. I think the only reason that these countries Russia/France mainly are against any warfare in Iraq is strictly for financial gain and nothing more. When a biological agent is detonated in one of these countries, who will they then turn to ? The USA! THAT IS WHO!
Who need's Nato. Kick out all but the UK and Canada and let the rest fend for themselves.
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In my mind, I don't think Germany has the right to call us militaristic considering their past...
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Humanitarians in every right. Not!!
| MuLiShA wrote: | | In my mind, I don't think Germany has the right to call us militaristic considering their past... |
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| SpeCies wrote: | PFFT!!!!!! Where would France be today if it was not for the allied forces who helped liberate them from out of Germanys grasp. I think the only reason that these countries Russia/France mainly are against any warfare in Iraq is strictly for financial gain and nothing more. When a biological agent is detonated in one of these countries, who will they then turn to ? The USA! THAT IS WHO!
Who need's Nato. Kick out all but the UK and Canada and let the rest fend for themselves. |
You ignorant son of a bitch go back to highschool history. There, you will learn that the us sold weapons to both the allied and axis forces during BOTH WWI and WWII. The U.S decided that it would better to boost it's economy instead of helping France when they were dying. Rather than doing the correct thing (help France immediatly) we waited until the French were totally wiped out, then we proceeded to enter the war. The fact that the French government was overpowered doesn't give the U.S. reasons to believe that the French would agreed with them on any issues that would follow within the next 60 years. Also, if the French are so weak and inferior why would the U.S. government feel they need thier support and backing? People like you need to gather more information before they reply with such an offensive and outrageous comment as yours. Then, you speak of Russia and French opposing war for financial gain, yet the U.S. is starting the war for financial gain.....somewhat ironic. And Iraqi would not be detonating a biological agent in either of those countries because Iraq doesn't not contain the means in which they could deliever a biological attack on France or Russia. It is also very possible that Iraq doesn't even have a biological agent. Then you say who needs nato? WTF does that have to do with anything. NATO was an alliance that the U.S. formed during the begining of the Cold War to combat Russia's alliance with other communist countries known as the Warsaw pact. NATO doesn't do much these days. I believe you were referring to the UN, which the U.S. did start. Showing that the U.S. is willing to destroy a means of gathering political view from around the world because it does not agree with the outcome of votes in it. This goes against all rules of democracy. Say Bush loses the '04 election, not following the UN's resolutions would be like Bush declaring war on the other presidential candidate, thus keeping himself in office.
Mulisha:In my mind, I don't think Germany has the right to call us militaristic considering their past...
I hate to grind you because I like you so much, it is somewhat neccesary. I'll make this one quick. Germany is under a new government, no longer controlled by the Nazi political party which made Germany so militaristic. Thus giving them the right to call us militaristic considerign the essence of what made them militaristic is no longer in power.
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Rebuttal LBC...
1. The US traded much more with the Allies side rather the Axis side prior to Sept 1, 1939 and trade ended in 1940. In fact Roosevelt signed the "Lend Lease" agreement with the UK helping them out. That was a 99 year lease with the UK.Trade occurred with Germany in the early 30's due to the severe depression that happened after the end of WW1. It was pretty much necessary due (if you didn't have 20/20 hindsight) to the USA being right in the Great Depression. Roosevelt wanted nothing to do with the war up until being forced into it. The fact is that the people wanted to stay out of the conflict at all costs. In fact it was a big debate during his run for FDR's third term in 1939. The lesson is that you sometimes have to be proactive rather than reactive. History has shown that negotiation and treaties mean squat to someone who has the bigger gun and wants to use it. That goes both ways.
2. It wasn't the US's fault that Hitler was "appeased" during the late 30's. That allowed him to build to the point of being able to conquer Europe. These wars are candyass (Gulf War, Afghanistan, and this one) compared to what we went through in WW2.
3. The US really has minimal need for France at this point. We liberated them twice and they have always been rude to us. There are parts of France though that are grateful for our help in WW1 and WW2.
| Lil Big Cip wrote: | | You ignorant son of a bitch go back to highschool history. |
Quotes like that open wounds and get topics locked.
PS: I was a history minor in college
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The reason I say that about Germany (btw, my family came over form Germany in the 30s) is that after WW1, after trying to take over Europe. They were peaceful, but then came Hitler and easily turned them into what they were. If it only happened once, they I would understand, but 2 times. I am just saying it seems that the German population is easily swayed.
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Unlike you who doesn't know his mother from common street garbage, I do. I would appreciate you watching who you call a "Son of a Bitch" got it! I would assume that you also have taken the time to see that America has bailed Frances sorry ass out twice within the past 90 yrs from demoralizing defeats such as a colonial war back in 1918 and WWII 1944. While france sat around drinking their café and sucking up to the Germans (Well, except for the 1.3 million French who died in World War I.)
When Germany threatened France during World War I our American troops came to Frances rescue. Then Thirty years later, when France was conquered by Nazi Germany and their people were enslaved, tens of thousands of our Americans gave their lives to defeat Frances German conquerors. Then after World War II, France was one of the largest beneficiaries of the U.S. Marshall Plan which saved the French from itself and poor government and rebuilt their economy once again. Did we ask for anything in return from France you moron ? No, we did not! Now all we get from France is opposition when we need their support.<which was 100% back in 91> Talk about a bunch of Ungrateful Bastards!
Let's not forget about when the Soviet Union threatened Europe during the Cold War and for over 40 years the American nuclear shield once again protected France from Soviet conquest. If it were not for the efforts of America's military, France, Germany and Belgium today would be Soviet socialist republics under communist rule. But what can you expect from politicians from a country that virtually surrendered to the Wehrmacht without a fight, and then eagerly collaborated with Nazi Germany? Such a confused little boy aren't ya! So my friend, like France you can kiss my hairy arse! Thank you! Now go get a life. 
| LilBigCip wrote: | | SpeCies wrote: | PFFT!!!!!! Where would France be today if it was not for the allied forces who helped liberate them from out of Germanys grasp. I think the only reason that these countries Russia/France mainly are against any warfare in Iraq is strictly for financial gain and nothing more. When a biological agent is detonated in one of these countries, who will they then turn to ? The USA! THAT IS WHO!
Who need's Nato. Kick out all but the UK and Canada and let the rest fend for themselves. |
You ignorant son of a bitch go back to highschool history. There, you will learn that the us sold weapons to both the allied and axis forces during BOTH WWI and WWII. The U.S decided that it would better to boost it's economy instead of helping France when they were dying. Rather than doing the correct thing (help France immediatly) we waited until the French were totally wiped out, then we proceeded to enter the war. The fact that the French government was overpowered doesn't give the U.S. reasons to believe that the French would agreed with them on any issues that would follow within the next 60 years. Also, if the French are so weak and inferior why would the U.S. government feel they need thier support and backing? People like you need to gather more information before they reply with such an offensive and outrageous comment as yours. Then, you speak of Russia and French opposing war for financial gain, yet the U.S. is starting the war for financial gain.....somewhat ironic. And Iraqi would not be detonating a biological agent in either of those countries because Iraq doesn't not contain the means in which they could deliever a biological attack on France or Russia. It is also very possible that Iraq doesn't even have a biological agent. Then you say who needs nato? WTF does that have to do with anything. NATO was an alliance that the U.S. formed during the begining of the Cold War to combat Russia's alliance with other communist countries known as the Warsaw pact. NATO doesn't do much these days. I believe you were referring to the UN, which the U.S. did start. Showing that the U.S. is willing to destroy a means of gathering political view from around the world because it does not agree with the outcome of votes in it. This goes against all rules of democracy. Say Bush loses the '04 election, not following the UN's resolutions would be like Bush declaring war on the other presidential candidate, thus keeping himself in office.
Mulisha:In my mind, I don't think Germany has the right to call us militaristic considering their past...
I hate to grind you because I like you so much, it is somewhat neccesary. I'll make this one quick. Germany is under a new government, no longer controlled by the Nazi political party which made Germany so militaristic. Thus giving them the right to call us militaristic considerign the essence of what made them militaristic is no longer in power. |
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Debating a point is one thing, however name calling is quite another. One is acceptable and the other is childish.
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| ToRaK wrote: | | Debating a point is one thing, however name calling is quite another. One is acceptable and the other is childish. |
Shut up you asstastic tard ;D
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| FragFailure wrote: | Rebuttal LBC...
1. The US traded much more with the Allies side rather the Axis side prior to Sept 1, 1939 and trade ended in 1940. In fact Roosevelt signed the "Lend Lease" agreement with the UK helping them out. That was a 99 year lease with the UK.Trade occurred with Germany in the early 30's due to the severe depression that happened after the end of WW1. It was pretty much necessary due (if you didn't have 20/20 hindsight) to the USA being right in the Great Depression. Roosevelt wanted nothing to do with the war up until being forced into it. The fact is that the people wanted to stay out of the conflict at all costs. In fact it was a big debate during his run for FDR's third term in 1939. The lesson is that you sometimes have to be proactive rather than reactive. History has shown that negotiation and treaties mean squat to someone who has the bigger gun and wants to use it. That goes both ways.
2. It wasn't the US's fault that Hitler was "appeased" during the late 30's. That allowed him to build to the point of being able to conquer Europe. These wars are candyass (Gulf War, Afghanistan, and this one) compared to what we went through in WW2.
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You do have good points and reasoning on the first topic and I respect that, although you cannot deny the fact that if the U.S. entered the war earlier France would have been held a lot easier causing less french deaths.
I do not agree with your second statement. The fact that the U.S. did not sign the Treaty of Versailles lead directly to the appeasement of Hitler. The U.S. did not sign the treaty because they did not wish to participate in the League of Nations, which would be monitoring these issues of appeasement. Although I don't see how this issue correlates with the War versus Iraq.
| MuLiShA wrote: | | The reason I say that about Germany (btw, my family came over form Germany in the 30s) is that after WW1, after trying to take over Europe. They were peaceful, but then came Hitler and easily turned them into what they were. If it only happened once, they I would understand, but 2 times. I am just saying it seems that the German population is easily swayed. |
It is easy to be swayed when people are starving and living in poverty.
| SpeCies wrote: | Unlike you who doesn't know his mother from common street garbage, I do. I would appreciate you watching who you call a "Son of a Bitch" got it! I would assume that you also have taken the time to see that America has bailed Frances sorry ass out twice within the past 90 yrs from demoralizing defeats such as a colonial war back in 1918 and WWII 1944. While france sat around drinking their café and sucking up to the Germans (Well, except for the 1.3 million French who died in World War I.)
When Germany threatened France during World War I our American troops came to Frances rescue. Then Thirty years later, when France was conquered by Nazi Germany and their people were enslaved, tens of thousands of our Americans gave their lives to defeat Frances German conquerors. Then after World War II, France was one of the largest beneficiaries of the U.S. Marshall Plan which saved the French from itself and poor government and rebuilt their economy once again. Did we ask for anything in return from France you moron ? No, we did not! Now all we get from France is opposition when we need their support.<which was 100% back in 91> Talk about a bunch of Ungrateful Bastards!
Let's not forget about when the Soviet Union threatened Europe during the Cold War and for over 40 years the American nuclear shield once again protected France from Soviet conquest. If it were not for the efforts of America's military, France, Germany and Belgium today would be Soviet socialist republics under communist rule. But what can you expect from politicians from a country that virtually surrendered to the Wehrmacht without a fight, and then eagerly collaborated with Nazi Germany? Such a confused little boy aren't ya! So my friend, like France you can kiss my hairy arse! Thank you! Now go get a life. |
Good observations, although I do not agree with them and forgive me for the rude comments I'm just sick and tired of people talking about how the U.S. saved France from both world wars. Although I believe you are choosing to forget something, which is the fact that U.S. may very well not have existed without the French. Going back 200+ years during our revolution the French contributed to the military effort for us to gain our independance. Going back to 91 when the French supported the U.S. effort against the Iraqis, the French offered military support to help. The U.S. replied that if U.S. fighters found French planes, they would be shot down. Why do we need their support now. |
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I am rebutting my post as I do not want to get political nor get involved in any sheot not pertaining to the game.
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| LilBigCip wrote: | You do have good points and reasoning on the first topic and I respect that, although you cannot deny the fact that if the U.S. entered the war earlier France would have been held a lot easier causing less french deaths.
I do not agree with your second statement. The fact that the U.S. did not sign the Treaty of Versailles lead directly to the appeasement of Hitler. The U.S. did not sign the treaty because they did not wish to participate in the League of Nations, which would be monitoring these issues of appeasement. Although I don't see how this issue correlates with the War versus Iraq. |
Agree on the League of Nations. The US was entering an "isolationist" period at the end of The War to End All Wars (WW1.) It was a mistake not to join it at it's formation. Again after the experience in WW1 the Americans didn't want to get involved in the conflict.
My post (link at the bottom) explains my Iraq logic.
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FF why am i not in the hall of fame? :p  i feel left out.
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I beat you :p
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