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VERY good reads. Thanks for the linkage.
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I'm getting tired of the media always grouping 9-11 and Iraq together. In a poll something like 50% of American's thought that the terrorists connected to 9-11 where either Iraqis or under Saddam's control. That is entirely incorrect, but the media sees fit to group them together constantly so more people support the war. The truth is that Iraq had nothing to do with Al qaeda [sic], it is an entirely unrelated thing except for the fact that both powers are from the middle east  . |
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| Mongoose_Slayer wrote: | | I'm getting tired of the media always grouping 9-11 and Iraq together. In a poll something like 50% of American's thought that the terrorists connected to 9-11 where either Iraqis or under Saddam's control. That is entirely incorrect, but the media sees fit to group them together constantly so more people support the war. The truth is that Iraq had nothing to do with Al qaeda [sic], it is an entirely unrelated thing except for the fact that both powers are from the middle east . |
Saddam supports Terrorism, I dont find it all that hard to believe that he would have a common intrest in hurting the US, and could of been a small or large part of 911, or no part at all. Dont remember exactly what it was, but they did have some links of al qaeda to iraq. Just because it isnt a fact, doesnt mean it doesnt exsist. 9-11 brought one thing out, our fight on terrorism, IMO Saddam is a Terrorist himself, to his own ppl, and others in other countries. As I understand it he will pay 25,000 dollars to a Suicide bombers family against those in Isreal. |
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| blown65 wrote: | | Mongoose_Slayer wrote: | | I'm getting tired of the media always grouping 9-11 and Iraq together. In a poll something like 50% of American's thought that the terrorists connected to 9-11 where either Iraqis or under Saddam's control. That is entirely incorrect, but the media sees fit to group them together constantly so more people support the war. The truth is that Iraq had nothing to do with Al qaeda [sic], it is an entirely unrelated thing except for the fact that both powers are from the middle east . |
Saddam supports Terrorism, I dont find it all that hard to believe that he would have a common intrest in hurting the US, and could of been a small or large part of 911, or no part at all. Dont remember exactly what it was, but they did have some links of al qaeda to iraq. Just because it isnt a fact, doesnt mean it doesnt exsist. 9-11 brought one thing out, our fight on terrorism, IMO Saddam is a Terrorist himself, to his own ppl, and others in other countries. As I understand it he will pay 25,000 dollars to a Suicide bombers family against those in Isreal. |
so alot of public support is based on something that 'isn't a fact' but just a guess? Well i would consider making something a fact before I went to war. 9-11 isn't the main reason for going to war but it is a big part of the public support Bush gets. The 'reason' for the war is that Saddam pottentialy has weapons of mass destruction and refuses to disarm. Even Britain, seemingly our main supporter, says that to them war should be the very last alternative, and that's just the British government, President Bush's approval rating in the UK is something like 8% 
On another note: the Israel/Palestine conflict also has nothing to do with Iraq. |
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| Quote: | | On another note: the Israel/Palestine conflict also has nothing to do with Iraq. |
How do ya figure? He gives money to suicide bombers families that go out and kill themselves and innocent civilians. What exactly would you call that if it isnt something do to with Iraq supporting terrorism? His support for terrorism in Palistine is helping bring peace there? I think not.
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| Mongoose_Slayer wrote: |
so alot of public support is based on something that 'isn't a fact' but just a guess? Well i would consider making something a fact before I went to war. 9-11 isn't the main reason for going to war but it is a big part of the public support Bush gets. The 'reason' for the war is that Saddam pottentialy has weapons of mass destruction and refuses to disarm. Even Britain, seemingly our main supporter, says that to them war should be the very last alternative, and that's just the British government, President Bush's approval rating in the UK is something like 8%
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I think you're missing the point Mongoose. It's already know that Saddam is a little insane, and that the US isn't exactly his favorite country. When word gets out that he has weapons of mass destruction, some people get a little nervous. Our people go over there and question him. If he shows us his weapons and will cooperate, then yes, he would probably be left alone. But he denys everything. Eventually he lets us talk to one of his scientist. But the scientist is always followed by 4 of his own men with guns, just in case.
Saddam still won't cooperate. He continues to deny that he has these weapons of mass destruction at all, and then threatens the US that he'll gas us if we don't leave him alone. But wait, he doesn't have biochemical warfare, right? Or does he?
It's simply a measure of safety. Just like if a policeman at school thinks you have a gun with you. He's never seen you with one, but he's curious all the same. You deny it, but he keeps pestering. Then you threaten you'll shoot him with a gun.......you're obviously hiding something that you don't want anybody else to see under any circumstances.....
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| I am not political at all and I am not a war monger in the least. Actually it took alot for me to post this. I can't speak for other nations, but do the people realize that because we went to war in the past is a big reason they can protest on the streets here in the U.S. without any recourse? Alot of people died to enable you to speak your views without consequences of expressing your opinion. The way I look at alot of other nations is they want it done, but they will say they don't, to not anger other nations and for the leaders to gain public support. Deep down, I feel like they just don't have the balls to do it and then we step in. I don't like us to have to be some world police. We shouldn't have to for many reasons. Is the feeling of the anti-war people that we shouldn't go to war, unless we are attacked? Should we have to have 1000's of our people die before we have the right to take action? I don't know how much proof the president has, but I honestly don't think it is all hearsay. I would hope it isn't a personal vendetta. Nobody likes war. Many innocent people die. People that shouldn't even be in harms way. The countries that aren't backing us now would sure the hell want our support if military actions were taken against them. We would probably be there protecting them too. Is it right? Not sure. We just look like a big bad ass bully to many people. I can see that. In a sense we are protecting their nation too though, by doing what we are doing now. Don't think Iraq isn't dangerous. Your fooling yourself. |
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Ummm...folks....this topic isn't about the war. It's about someone, from outside the US, trying to remind the other countries what it is they have because we are here.
The articles are Pro-American. Not Pro-War. Not against the war. Pro-American.
Please try and stay on topic.
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Actually, they're part pro-war.
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I think you're missing the point Mongoose. It's already know that Saddam is a little insane, and that the US isn't exactly his favorite country. When word gets out that he has weapons of mass destruction, some people get a little nervous. Our people go over there and question him. If he shows us his weapons and will cooperate, then yes, he would probably be left alone. But he denys everything. Eventually he lets us talk to one of his scientist. But the scientist is always followed by 4 of his own men with guns, just in case.
Saddam still won't cooperate. He continues to deny that he has these weapons of mass destruction at all, and then threatens the US that he'll gas us if we don't leave him alone. But wait, he doesn't have biochemical warfare, right? Or does he?
It's simply a measure of safety. Just like if a policeman at school thinks you have a gun with you. He's never seen you with one, but he's curious all the same. You deny it, but he keeps pestering. Then you threaten you'll shoot him with a gun.......you're obviously hiding something that you don't want anybody else to see under any circumstances..... |
Remind me why it is so urgent to act?
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| Paddyjac-K wrote: | | Violent Pacifist wrote: |
I think you're missing the point Mongoose. It's already know that Saddam is a little insane, and that the US isn't exactly his favorite country. When word gets out that he has weapons of mass destruction, some people get a little nervous. Our people go over there and question him. If he shows us his weapons and will cooperate, then yes, he would probably be left alone. But he denys everything. Eventually he lets us talk to one of his scientist. But the scientist is always followed by 4 of his own men with guns, just in case.
Saddam still won't cooperate. He continues to deny that he has these weapons of mass destruction at all, and then threatens the US that he'll gas us if we don't leave him alone. But wait, he doesn't have biochemical warfare, right? Or does he?
It's simply a measure of safety. Just like if a policeman at school thinks you have a gun with you. He's never seen you with one, but he's curious all the same. You deny it, but he keeps pestering. Then you threaten you'll shoot him with a gun.......you're obviously hiding something that you don't want anybody else to see under any circumstances..... |
Remind me why it is so urgent to act? |
First, tell me why we should leave him alone when we know he's hiding weapons from the entire world. 
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| Violent Pacifist wrote: | | Paddyjac-K wrote: | | Violent Pacifist wrote: |
I think you're missing the point Mongoose. It's already know that Saddam is a little insane, and that the US isn't exactly his favorite country. When word gets out that he has weapons of mass destruction, some people get a little nervous. Our people go over there and question him. If he shows us his weapons and will cooperate, then yes, he would probably be left alone. But he denys everything. Eventually he lets us talk to one of his scientist. But the scientist is always followed by 4 of his own men with guns, just in case.
Saddam still won't cooperate. He continues to deny that he has these weapons of mass destruction at all, and then threatens the US that he'll gas us if we don't leave him alone. But wait, he doesn't have biochemical warfare, right? Or does he?
It's simply a measure of safety. Just like if a policeman at school thinks you have a gun with you. He's never seen you with one, but he's curious all the same. You deny it, but he keeps pestering. Then you threaten you'll shoot him with a gun.......you're obviously hiding something that you don't want anybody else to see under any circumstances..... |
Remind me why it is so urgent to act? |
First, tell me why we should leave him alone when we know he's hiding weapons from the entire world. |
I'm not saying to leave him alone, but why act now? Why not wait one more month, as UN and numerous countries are asking? Oh wait, I guess it must be very expensive to have all those guys in the Gulf. Maybe it was shortsighted from Bush to send them so early?
Btw, you are aware Israel has nuclear weapons?
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