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kamikaze Registered User
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 2:35 pm Post subject: LiberalVille? |
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I found out today from one of TheVille admins that changing your fov was soon to be disabled and is now considered a cheat? This has sent me into rant mode.
I feel that here at TheVille that the admins and people here are VERY susceptilble to the very human nature of being afraid of what they don't understand. How many of you anti-Nemesis people actually tried it out before calling it a cheat? The same admin I asked to explain why it was considered a cheat admitted that he/she was still using the default settings because "i play the game the way the designers designed it". That admin then went on to explain to me that they thought that anything that wasn't in the game when it was released was a cheat, this included xhairs. That makes absolutley no sense because the game was designed to be altered, although, not in such a way that it broke the rules of the environment (ie: wallhacks, aimbots, speed cheats, etc..). I believe the designers left the option to config you're view in the game because they knew they could not come up with the best view for each individual. I will continue to play with my fov at 120. If that means I'm gonna be banned, do it. I don't wanna play somewhere that looks down upon personal preference when it comes to IN-GAME settings.
PS. I don't believe cheats are in-game settings, those are added-on. just thought i'd clarify that before people came back with the cheat argument. _________________
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Kazebari Official Mall Ninja
Joined: 28 Apr 2002
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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BANNING FOV CHANGES?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! my beloved fov 110...gone..???? Then my rocket launcher model wouldn't look cool anymore =( |
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(+)ASSASSIN(+) Registered User
Joined: 08 Jan 2002 Location: Chicago,IL Posts: 1176
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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What is FOV and what does changing this setting do? _________________ Killing is my bidness ladies and BIDNESS IS GOOD!!!! |
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Replica Server Admin
Joined: 01 Jul 2002 Location: i'm a loner dottie, a rebel! Posts: 6144
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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i h00red out the custom tfc page leik nothing, and i'm sure others ahve too. rocket flares, conc sprite, new HUD, new medkit, new shotty, new supernail gun, new spanner, new cbar, new x-hairs, mulch_trench sounds, new console background.. and i'ms ure there is something else. only experience i've had with fov is when someone told me to put it on 200 and i freaked out! it was so weird, i spose 110/120 could be intersting, i may try it in game sometime but its one of those things that if it wasn't so easy to change then why is it there? i don't hack, don't know how so i guess i'm a little out fo the loop when people try to explain what is/isn't cheating. _________________ |
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SpeCies Registered User
Joined: 05 Sep 2001 Location: North Carolina Guild: <TVB> Posts: 1948
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Opinions are like assholes, Everyone has one! Well, that is fine for you to use whatever you want to use on your server and play the way that you want to play. _________________ http://www.nosmacktards.com
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Thom Yorke Obliterator Registered User
Joined: 15 Aug 2001 Location: Central PA Posts: 1088
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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FOV = Field of Vision or Field of View
It's a setting that affects how much of the screen you can see at once. The default setting is 90, I think. Smaller numbers give you a zoomed in effect, higher numbers zoom you out.
Try it for yourself in the console to see what it does. The extreme settings are the most fun. "fov 10" is like the Sniper's zoom mode, while "fov 179" is a freakin' acid trip. |
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Ktulu Registered User
Joined: 26 Sep 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1663
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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First off I was the admin who was talking to kamikaze. I did not start the conversation. (a copy of the log is below)
Quote: | I feel that here at TheVille that the admins and people here are VERY susceptilble to the very human nature of being afraid of what they don't understand. |
You asked me in game what I thought about it and I tried to explain it to you, in that time frame the enemy team capped 7 times I do understand it more than you know but at that point it was causing my team to loose because I was too busy talking to you in game. That is why I told you to take it to the forums
Quote: | How many of you anti-Nemesis people actually tried it out before calling it a cheat? |
I still consider Nemesis a cheat and can't wait until we start detecting it again.
Quote: | That admin then went on to explain to me that they thought that anything that wasn't in the game when it was released was a cheat, this included xhairs. |
I never said "xhairs" read the log below
Quote: | That makes absolutley no sense because the game was designed to be altered, although, not in such a way that it broke the rules of the environment (ie: wallhacks, aimbots, speed cheats, etc..). |
That is the reason we cannot allow it, some people use it to cheat. I could enter a simple setting that will allow me to walk unders sg's without getting shot for example. Also some people use the fov setting to give them sniper zoom no matter what class they are playing.... that is an unfair advantage and cheating as far as I'm concerned.
Quote: | PS. I don't believe cheats are in-game settings, those are added-on. |
Like I mentioned above and in game the problem with that is some people pervert these settings allowing them to cheat.
14:53:23: Loading map "crossover2"
14:53:31: Evil_Iguana entered the game
14:53:44: =US-My Personal Insanity-V= entered the game
14:54:03: hupfa****3000**** entered the game
14:54:30: <PWG>kamikaze entered the game
14:54:33: Evil_Iguana(TEAM): Reqeusting a Medic / Engineer ( Health: 45 | Armour: 71 )
14:54:44: Evil_Iguana: rofl
14:54:48: =US-My Personal Insanity-V=:
14:55:01: =US-My Personal Insanity-V=(TEAM): on o
14:55:04: <PWG>kamikaze: anyone else have the non-flare rockets?
14:55:11: =US-My Personal Insanity-V=(TEAM): i used them onse
14:55:13: =US-My Personal Insanity-V=(TEAM): once
14:55:15: =US-My Personal Insanity-V=: it's freaky
14:55:16: <PWG>kamikaze: tis freaky
14:55:20: Evil_Iguana: ?
14:55:28: Evil_Iguana: what?
14:55:39: <PWG>kamikaze: ff?
14:57:27: Evil_Iguana: ok this isnmt gpoing well
14:58:03: spitfire_1 entered the game
14:58:21: spitfire_1: hello pwg
14:58:25: <PWG>kamikaze: sup
14:58:49: =US-My Personal Insanity-V=(TEAM): flag dropped on escalator
14:59:24: Evil_Iguana(TEAM): get sentry iont flag room
15:00:08: spitfire_1: brb buttons sre messed
15:00:36: Evil_Iguana: wth is my team for?
15:00:42: Evil_Iguana: they arent doing anything
15:00:48: spitfire_1: ill help one sec
15:01:38: Vek entered the game
15:02:51: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF- entered the game
15:03:10: spitfire_1(TEAM): hellol tvb
15:03:15: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: hiya
15:03:22: <PWG>kamikaze: idiot
15:03:32: Evil_Iguana: something is different
15:04:03: <PWG>kamikaze: yeah, use a nade with rocket
15:04:19: Evil_Iguana: i know, but it can be done w/o nade too
15:04:38: <PWG>kamikaze: yeah, double rj out
15:04:59: <PWG>kamikaze: can you spec on this server?
15:05:07: Evil_Iguana: no no, i can do it with 1 rocket,m i just did
15:05:16: =US-My Personal Insanity-V=: gg al bye
15:05:18: =US-My Personal Insanity-V= disconnected
15:05:23: <PWG>kamikaze: teams
15:05:24: Vek: little help
15:05:54: [USSR]eRt nOw! entered the game
15:06:22: [USSR]eRt nOw!: hi all
15:06:27: erba_knoff entered the game
15:06:46: erba_knoff: lo!
15:07:13: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-(TEAM): flag in yard
15:07:15: =US-cobra-V= entered the game
15:07:19: erba_knoff: lol i lag >(
15:07:32: hupfa****3000**** disconnected
15:09:10: [USSR]eRt nOw! disconnected
15:09:11: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-(TEAM): flag in yard behind building with sg
15:09:58: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] Building SentryGun...
15:11:12: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-(TEAM): need help on O
15:11:19: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] Ok / Roger that / Affirmative
15:11:36: <PWG>kamikaze: hey ktulu, what fov do you use?
15:11:59: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] Building SentryGun...
15:12:04: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: i use the game default, i think if you change it it's cheating
15:12:11: <PWG>kamikaze: haha!
15:12:14: spitfire_1 disconnected
15:12:22: <PWG>kamikaze: you';re kidding
15:12:24: Evil_Iguana(TEAM): flsg in watrer
15:12:27: Vek: teams
15:12:37: erba_knoff: wer just
15:12:39: erba_knoff: 3
15:12:42: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: i like to play the game the way they designed it
15:12:59: <PWG>kamikaze: what about people with widescreen monitors?
15:13:05: <PWG>kamikaze: like me
15:13:21: <PWG>kamikaze: setting the fov higher makes the screen fit better
15:13:26: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: in your case it's legit
15:13:38: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: some people use it to cheat though, it's pretty easy
15:13:45: <PWG>kamikaze: how is it cheating if i may ask?
15:13:48: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: i catch and warn/kick/ban them all the time
15:13:52: Evil_Iguana: i thought fov was locked?
15:14:03: <PWG>kamikaze: all it does it set your frame of view
15:14:03: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: people use it to get the sniper zoom even when they are not the sniper class
15:14:17: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: fov is/will be locked on all servers soon
15:14:17: <PWG>kamikaze: yeah, but then your peripheral vision sucks
15:14:20: <PWG>kamikaze: and you die
15:14:32: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: in your case I say it's legit
15:14:46: <PWG>kamikaze: what about setting it higher, like 120
15:14:58: =US-cobra-V=: hi all
15:15:07: erba_knoff: lo
15:15:09: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: the software will eventually prevent that
15:15:10: <PWG>kamikaze: how would that be cheating?
15:15:13: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: hiya cobra
15:15:47: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] GJ TEAM
15:16:26: Evil_Iguana(TEAM): Reqeusting a Medic / Engineer ( Health: 24 | Armour: 0 )
15:16:29: <PWG>kamikaze: how would be setting it higher be cheating?
15:16:34: Vigilante entered the game
15:16:46: erba_knoff: u lpbs :/
15:16:52: <PWG>kamikaze: i'm not exactl understanding the philosiphy behind this
15:16:59: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: it alters the way the game designers built it
15:17:06: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: to some that is an unfair advanage
15:17:07: Evil_Iguana: it will let people zoom in when they arent supposed to and see around corners or see behinmd em
15:17:12: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] Building SentryGun...
15:17:15: <PWG>kamikaze: so new xhairs should be illegal too?
15:17:21: erba_knoff: yes
15:17:32: <PWG>kamikaze: when did TV become so anal?
15:17:43: erba_knoff: its just MY opinion
15:17:44: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: those are basic rules I think
15:17:47: Vigilante: heylo
15:17:51: erba_knoff: lo
15:17:53: Vigilante: man my day is going really bad
15:17:57: <PWG>kamikaze: was never like this before
15:18:17: <TVB>ThomYorkeObliterator entered the game
15:18:18: Evil_Iguana: became anal when folkks learned to cheat (
15:18:18: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: we've always discourage playing with our fov
15:18:37: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] Go Go Go
15:18:41: <PWG>kamikaze: you still havent told me how setting fov higher would be cheating
15:18:47: <TVB>ThomYorkeObliterator: yo
15:18:54: <PWG>kamikaze: sup thom
15:18:56: =US-cobra-V=: hi
15:19:11: Vigilante(TEAM): hehe
15:19:17: <PWG>kamikaze: the game designers DID leave that option to change it open
15:19:33: <PWG>kamikaze: so, they DID think things would be changed
15:19:45: Vigilante(TEAM): thanks
15:20:00: Evil_Iguana(TEAM): in their yard
15:20:04: =US-cobra-V=(TEAM): [Defense]Help our flag is in danger! [Health90,Armor100]
15:20:05: =US-cobra-V=(TEAM): Roger/acknowledged! [Health90,Armor100]
15:20:07: <PWG>kamikaze: ktulu?
15:20:21: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] Ok / Roger that / Affirmative
15:20:22: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] Go Go Go
15:20:33: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: those are the rules i just enforce them
15:20:48: =US-cobra-V=: ui need somebody to run into the pipes around the flag
15:20:51: <PWG>kamikaze: the rules make no sense
15:21:20: erba_knoff: pwned
15:21:24: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: look, people use it to cheat sometimes, so.... we have to not allow it at all... understand?
15:21:48: <PWG>kamikaze: you say the game designers designed the game a certain way, a way that left customizing your
15:21:52: Vek disconnected
15:21:53: <PWG>kamikaze: own tfc the way you like
15:22:00: <PWG>kamikaze: i done
15:22:03: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: look, play the game already
15:22:09: =US-cobra-V=(TEAM): in yard
15:22:10: erba_knoff: yeah.. and pepoles CUZTOMIZE it to cheats
15:22:21: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-: take it to the forums please
15:22:25: <PWG>kamikaze: fine
15:22:26: <TVB>SHAFT entered the game
15:22:33: Evil_Iguana: t
15:22:33: <PWG>kamikaze disconnected
15:22:36: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] Building SentryGun...
15:22:46: <TVB>SHAFT: hi
15:22:49: <TVB>ThomYorkeObliterator: yo
15:22:50: =US-cobra-V=: hi
15:23:01: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] Go Go Go
15:23:09: erba_knoff: lo man
15:23:26: Evil_Iguana(TEAM): where ios it?
15:23:39: Vigilante(TEAM): thanks
15:23:55: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF-(TEAM): can we get some D help?
15:23:59: Evil_Iguana(TEAM): Reqeusting a Medic / Engineer ( Health: 46 | Armour: 14 )
15:24:19: <TVB>SHAFT(TEAM): I'll go off random
15:24:27: =US-cobra-V=: didnt even see you shaft
15:24:52: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] Go Go Go
15:24:59: Vigilante(TEAM): bah, bad at shots today
15:25:51: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] Go Go Go
15:25:56: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] GJ TEAM
15:26:04: bomberman entered the game
15:26:59: Evil_Iguana: there any real use for nail grens?
15:27:03: erba_knoff: yes
15:27:08: erba_knoff: taking sgs down
15:27:08: =US-cobra-V=(TEAM): [Offense]Sentry Gun DOWN GO!
15:27:18: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] Ok / Roger that / Affirmative
15:27:36: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] Go Go Go
15:28:07: <TVB>Ktulu-TPF- disconnected
15:28:49: erba_knoff: ownagge?
15:29:02: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] GJ TEAM
15:29:44: =US-cobra-V=(TEAM): lower respawn
15:29:46: <TVB>SHAFT: nice conc cobra
15:29:47: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] Ok / Roger that / Affirmative
15:30:08: bomberman disconnected
15:30:15: <TVB>SHAFT: teams
15:30:43: =US-cobra-V=: teams are even
15:30:43: <TVB>SHAFT(TEAM): ty
15:30:44: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] Building SentryGun...
15:30:44: -=>FA<=-CkillinU17 entered the game
15:31:18: <TVB>Sully entered the game
15:31:27: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] GJ TEAM
15:31:56: <TVB>Sully: howdy howdy
15:32:00: <TVB>ThomYorkeObliterator: Sully!
15:32:01: =US-cobra-V=: hi
15:32:05: erba_knoff: lo
15:32:07: <TVB>Sully: TYO!!!!!!
15:32:31: =US-cobra-V=(TEAM): sg at upper respawn
15:32:48: erba_knoff(TEAM): [Engineer] Go Go Go
15:32:56: Vigilante: ow
15:32:56: -=>FA<=-CkillinU17: (50 health) and (26 armor) have to try a litle bit harder than that <TVB>Sully
15:33:24: Vigilante: gg
15:33:24: <TVB>ThomYorkeObliterator: gg
15:33:25: erba_knoff: gg!
15:33:25: Evil_Iguana: gg
15:33:27: =US-cobra-V=: gg
15:33:28: -=>FA<=-CkillinU17: nextmap
15:33:28: <TVB>Sully: gg |
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kamikaze Registered User
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Quote: | How many of you anti-Nemesis people actually tried it out before calling it a cheat? |
I still consider Nemesis a cheat and can't wait until we start detecting it again. |
so....that means you haven't tried it? i used it for a couple months and my play DID NOT change skill wise, if it was a cheat shouldn't i have benefited from it somehow?
Quote: | Quote: | That admin then went on to explain to me that they thought that anything that wasn't in the game when it was released was a cheat, this included xhairs. |
I never said "xhairs" read the log below |
no, but you did say, that you thought if someone were to change the default settings you would consider it cheating.
Quote: | Quote: | That makes absolutley no sense because the game was designed to be altered, although, not in such a way that it broke the rules of the environment (ie: wallhacks, aimbots, speed cheats, etc..). |
That is the reason we cannot allow it, some people use it to cheat. I could enter a simple setting that will allow me to walk unders sg's without getting shot for example. Also some people use the fov setting to give them sniper zoom no matter what class they are playing.... that is an unfair advantage and cheating as far as I'm concerned. |
I assumed that fit under the environment cheat category....
Ya know it's funny, I've been around theville for some time now and all of a sudden all the newer members are telling me to leave if i don't like the rules. I guess I will then. _________________
i told you i was hardcore. |
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Ktulu Registered User
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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I never told you to leave and I hope you don't. Take a step back and relax... it's just a game and we are your friends.
I said I consider Nemisys a cheat cause you can use it to see through water.
Why do you think this is personal attack on you? You came to me with the question... I answered it.
This is a quote from The Ville Server Rules Page http://www.theville.org/rules.php
Quote: | 6. Anyone found running hacked mods, proxy bots, or any kind of 'helper' paks, or addons, are considered cheaters and will be kicked and banned immediately. You will also be reported to server admins globally for possible banning from many other servers. SO JUST DON'T DO IT! |
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Lin Sivvi Defiant Hero Registered User
Joined: 17 Jan 2002 Location: Some small boring city Posts: 1205
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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I play with fov 130 btw, weirdest view you will ever see FYI: d3d is a cheat, it helps me see through water
Also for future reference I fov is maxed out at either fov 170 or 180, i forget exactly. Because past that opengl will flip your screen upside down and reverse your controls, due to znear being bigger that zfar, and the spectum for you to see having borders intersecting each other. Boy that's a mouthful |
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Chan Registered User
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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poo no more running around in avanti with my cbar in fov 999.
BTW, I am forced to use d3d otherwise my computer freezes within minutes. _________________
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ToRaK Registered User
Joined: 08 Feb 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1105
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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How is changing your fov cheating?
Everyone has access to this command...it would be like saying using your secondary weapon is cheating. True it doesn't come used straight out of the box but everyone has access to it.
So, is this where the ville is going? Absolutly no modifications to your game. Kinda seems boring and we'll have to delete the sound pack (and the realism pack too) off the website.
Oh well. _________________ The most hated.
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FragFailure Registered User
Joined: 12 Aug 2001 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 4219
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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gg Reload Script. I can see ducking a sg as cheating. I'm not so sure why you can't edit the zoom on it and call it a cheat. I still hate snipers FOV or no FOV _________________ Yes, I'm still around
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Ktulu Registered User
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Torak your perverting it LOL
The fov I'm referring to is the setting that gives all classes sniper zoom, the setting that lets you see behind you etc.... you don't consider those cheats? |
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ToRaK Registered User
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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I dunno, it's very hard to get any hack out of being able to zoom in like a sniper. Most "good" players tend to increase their fov thus zooming them out, instead of in. At the far end of the spectrum there have been reports of being able to see through walls, but it's really obvious and quite ineffective since your zoomed out so small that they look like ants. _________________ The most hated.
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