After Win Spawn Killing

junkyard · Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:48 am Post subject: After Win Spawn Killing

Got a question about the bonus round. On some maps it is quite easy to go tearing right into the spawn, with the shovel flying, and guns blazing. I completely agree that before the win spawn killing is not legal, and I never have, but after the win on Anzio the other day I got warned for it because on the allied center spawn exit you can jump on left corner of the sandbags, and hop right in. On a map like Flash no jumping is required you can run right in so is it legal or not?
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Simpleman · Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:55 am Post subject:

My input on this is if they are in there respawn then the winning team has no right to go in there and kill them. If they leave the safety of there respawn then there open game. Bottom line if you have to go into there respawn to kill them thats a big NO NO in my book. I think it is cheap if you( anyone) have to run through the other teams respawn to get cheap kills. Kind of defeats the purpose of changing the stats that everyone fought so hard to get changed.

IMHO thats a true meaning of a stat whore if they have to stoop to the level of spawn camping to increase there score. I mean you already one the round what more do you want?

Thats my 0.02

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junkyard · Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:28 am Post subject:

Rough Justice · Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:58 am Post subject:

What about on Flash or Avalanche if they are out of spawn and run back in to hide? I think Flash and Anvalanche are the easiest to run into. But this is hard to do on Anzio - yes you can jump on sandbags without a boost but by the time you run there the round is restarting - Argentan is nice because they are all fenced in - outside of spawn - Kalt hard to do as well as Donner. My opinion its only Flash and Avalanche where this would be a problem - and 75% of the time your chasing someone who runs back into there spawn on these maps.

Simpleman · Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:20 am Post subject:

Like I said above if you have to chase them into spawn I consider that a cheap kill. If they are in the playing field then they are legal targets. I just think it's funny that everyone fought for the stats to be changed and now you want to make cheap kills. Makes no sence to me. Everyone complaining about stat whores and now they want to be able to go into spawns to get cheap kills. If you win the round and the other team is in the field of play then they are dead to rights. If you have to go as far as entering the spawn to get a cheap kill IMHO it's unsportsman like. I haven't been playing source as of late do to the fact that they need to fix alot of things and this is one of them. I think they should have spawn kill points just like v1.3. If you enter the spawn you are killed automatically.

I think NO SPAWN CAMPING pretty much explains it plain and simple. So if you can tell me the difference between spawn camping while during the round and the end of the round is different be my guest. I know when TV3 was Source I was banning for this offence and would on TV1 as well if I were on there. This is after the required warnings of course.

Like I said above though this is my personal opinion and I see spawn camping as spawn camping no matter which way you try to look at it. If you enter the spawn what are you doing ?
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Greebo · Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:27 am Post subject:

I've always seen open spawns as fair game in after-round killing, but fenced in ones as a no-no (though I will occasionally chuck a nade into them to catch those guys who stand right next to the spawn exit taunting you with your unable-to-kill-them-ness).

I think we should get a ruling on this.

Of course an easy solution would be to turn the after-round killing off.
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junkyard · Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:49 am Post subject:

Simpleman · Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:57 am Post subject:

Well this is going to be like beating a dead horse. Spawn camping is spawn camping IMHO. Ever since I have been here at TheVille it's has always been frowned upon. I guess it's a good thing I have not been on the server

. I see the spawn as a safe haven no matter what, but there is no use arguing with you all as I have seen in the other threads. You all won't be happy untill you are #1 on the stats so good luck with your adventure. I just see changing TheVille rules just so a few feel better about themselves and are on top of the stats.

IMHO I would shut the stats down then there won't be anything to argue about.

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DukeNukem · Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:07 am Post subject:

I don't know if after cap kills count in stats or not, I just don't know, but I think Greebo's position is pretty reasonable.
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Simpleman · Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:21 am Post subject:

So be it like I said have fun.

The way I see it if you promote any type of spawn camping you are looking for trouble and a empty server. I know myself would appriciate getting killed in spawn all the time.
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BENDER · Registered User Joined: 27 Jun 2005 Posts: 266

i think the best solution to this would be to disable the bonus round. Or if it really hurts your feelings geting cheaply shoveled by the statwhores

after losing the round, do like good ol Mad Hammer and type "kill" in console. I see a problem geting killed at spawn when u still have one flag, but I dont see what the big deal is with geting killed at spawn in the bonus round, whats the worst thats gona hapen? lose some points? Its a new feature in source and I think most people apreciate it, being like a reward for wining the round, it motivates you to cap that last flag cuse u know ur gona slaughter if u do. imo it is not even called or considered spawn camping, cuse after bonus round you'll respawn in ur respective spawn. man, evrytime i feel cheaper and cheaper #Puppy dog

my point is: in war after losing a batle u either kill urself or the enemy will

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powdermilkman · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:45 am Post subject:

the rule i have told some admins...(posted it look at it) is that its fair game outside the spawning area...just run fast and hide...but if the winning round team enters into your spawn area that is spawn camping and will result in a kick or a ban....now it has been brought to my attention some servers allow this (not ville ones)...so the bans will be a little loose at first with some warnings and what not but eventually we will start to ban and do whatever it takes until people learn. Please report any activity you see of people running into spawns as this is the same to me as spawn camping and will be treated thus.

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Malanthros · Registered User Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 454

I say, turn off the bonus round. I think its dumb. Thats my own opinion.
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Bleeding Tomato · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:31 am Post subject:

Not that my input is worth anything but I think that the bonus round was added to source as a reward for winning the map. I think it should be allowed wherever you find the opposing team. If you don't like the idea of getting hacked into pieces win the map. It's an incentive to play harder. I don't see what the difference is if you get hacked inside or outside of your spawn your still hacked. And NO it's not the same as spawn camping

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junkyard · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:26 am Post subject: