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FragFailure · Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:17 pm Post subject:

Actually most zoom out rather than in.
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Chen Kenichi · Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:18 pm Post subject:

ROFL!

If you can play at all with a high pitchup and manage to dodge SG's, be my guest.

[Edit]You have to realize that there are repercussions to zooming in and out. You have to adjust your aim and timing immediately.[/edit]
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Ktulu · Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:22 pm Post subject:

DukeNukem · Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:25 pm Post subject:

I do have some concerns regarding the view that any modifications might be considered cheats.

For example I use a mouse and a joystick simultaneously. I use the mouse for turning left/right and up/down aim. I use the joystick for movement -- i.e. forward/backward and left/right strafe. But in order to get the joystick to do what I wanted I had to edit my autoexec.cfg file to change what the joystick axes do. There is no mechanism in the regular configuration screens to allow this (at least I didn't see any).

If this is considered cheating then I am guilty. I sure hope not!

Let's make a distinction between customization and purposely gaining an unfair advantage. The makers of the game certainly intended there to be some level of user customization. We need to be careful not to carry this view to an extreme.

Chen Kenichi · Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:26 pm Post subject:

The key bind couldn't control your mouse though. Plus, it's rare when you have a chance to just walk past an unguarded SG. I'm not even really sure if it would be that effective.

[edit]Duke, I think you can have a constant FOV of whatever you like. I play with 110 as default. The morality comes into play when a person can switch their FOV at leisure. For example, if I have different FOV's for two different weapons, only one FOV, you default, will be allowed.[/edit]
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ToRaK · Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:27 pm Post subject:

Chen Kenichi · Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:32 pm Post subject:

Ktulu · Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:33 pm Post subject:

I see where this is going so I'm not going to nibble on the meat anymore.
I'm not about to get into a huge debate over every detail.

Have fun with this thread cya

Chen Kenichi · Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:34 pm Post subject:

BYE KTULU I LOVE YOU! #Fade in

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Kjeldorian Royal Guard 42 · Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:39 pm Post subject:

Dann0 · Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 6:28 pm Post subject:

I agree with KTULU here. Im sure all of you here do not use FOV to cheat in any way. But remember there are those few cheaters that do, and I am sure most of us admins have seen it in a game. Trust me its not fun when we do have to take steps like this because of all the heat that we get. We are just making the game as fair as possible for all players. I repeat GAME!!!

When everyone stops cheating and trying to abuse the system, all of us admins will personally Take ALL OF THE CHEAT PROTECTION OFF ALL OF THE SERVERS.

Until then steps will have to be taken.

DukeNukem · Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 7:06 pm Post subject:

I have an hour long drive home from work every day! So I have time to think about things sometimes. I have to agree that the Admins have the right to choose what is allowed and not allowed as far as customization/alteration on the client side. There is a place in the regular config screen to turn on "autoaim" but I do not know any server that is set up to allow it. So if FOV is considered a variable that is too easily abused then it is their right to lock it down.

Kutulu I was definitely not trying to bait you! I do see where some are trying to take this. I am sorry, because there could be a productive dialogue about this if some would settle down.

I was mostly pointing out that both positions can be taken to extremes and therefore somewhere in the middle is a gray area in which a reasonable compromise exists.

Danno - Thank you, I know that you guys to take a lot of heat about decisions! I want to thank you guys for all your hard work. My mode of operation is to enter into debate when the decision is in process, not to complain once a decision is final.
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Mongoose_Slayer · Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 7:07 pm Post subject:

Kazebari · Official Mall Ninja Joined: 28 Apr 2002 Posts: 935

actually, increasing your fov is no great use, as the sniper rifle is the ONLY INSTANTANEOUS WEAPON THAT IS ACTUALLY USEFUL AT LONG RANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shotgun pellets spread out at that length, doing nearly zero damage...What's the advantage of fov 89-0?

Think about it--what use is fov 30 or 10 to a soldier, or any other class?

kamikaze · Registered User Joined: 10 Sep 2001 Posts: 138

and someone finally points out that it, in fact, cannot be used as a cheat. the scale of pros and cons of (trying to) using the fov cheat weighs heavily on the con side. think about it, you may switch it to engage one enemy, totally losing all peripheral vision and be stomped by another enemy. this is totally negligible. you all should read some of the OGC and other cheat sites for the prevention of people cheating, not take away something that some of us use to make our weapons look cool. like many of the regs have said, wait, the majority of regs who do alter their fov, they increase it, making it even harder to hit someone. i find it hard to understand exactly why this would be considered a cheat. it frustrates me that yall are sooooo afraid of change. from everyone denouncing nemesis without even using it or studying it to this. it's just ridiculous.
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