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I still think the ending was empty. They could've done a lot better. I disagree with VP and Chen. I bet LOTR III blows this away.
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| FragFailure wrote: | | I still think the ending was empty. They could've done a lot better. I disagree with VP and Chen. I bet LOTR III blows this away. |
/me agrees
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3rd matrix was the best.....
BTW I still think that the machine / real/ zion world is just another matrix program.
And the artitect still ooks like col. sanders.
The mechs where animated perfectly coming from a CG point of view.
And yes, any movie with Chan in it rocks...
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You're talking to the man with like the entire Jackie Chan movie collection.
Well yes Chan is good too, but I was referring to Bruce Lee movies and others like his. |
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| FragFailure wrote: | | I still think the ending was empty. They could've done a lot better. I disagree with VP and Chen. I bet LOTR III blows this away. |
The ending wasn't empty. The Wachowski brothers explained and showed you everything an ending would need to show you. If you havn't noticed, they like to make you think as well as leave things open-ended; they aren't going to hand everything to you on a silver platter.
Personally, I think that the entire matrix trilogy was a work of art, and a perfection that has raised the bar for all movies.
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The point of the Trilogy is to close all the storylines up. There is supposed to be finality to it. I've thought it over and still don't like it.
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| FragFailure wrote: | | The point of the Trilogy is to close all the storylines up. There is supposed to be finality to it. I've thought it over and still don't like it. |
Hhhmmmm just saw this movie. I would say it puts the hor in horrible. Its almost as bad as Cape Fear of Dusk till Dawn. The scene of Trinity dieing was grueling torture. This is diffeniently going on the bad movie list in my book. As far as the trilogy goes, it started very good with the first movie and then plumented. |
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Why? What would you have changed?
Aside from the awesome action, I also love the INFINITE amount of symbols, references, and philosophy they used.
And what exactly made the first movie so much better? Because it wasn't as complicated?
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I am hoping to see revolutions tomorrow. Been busy.
I see lot's of opinions and the ones I am looking at are the ones that I agree with concerning the 2 previous movies. So far I think the storyline is incredible. I have watch the original Matrix probably 100 times and every time I watch it I find something new that I missed the previous times. A great movie is one that you can watch more than once and still be entertained.
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| Violent Pacifist wrote: | OMG YOU PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS.
Neo could destory the machines because they were programs from the source. He was able to destroy them in the same way he was able to beat up agents. However, in his world, the machines can be completely destroyed. Neo was able to destroy so many because all the little tiny ones were simply bombs. If you paid attention, Trinity had to pull up because Neo couldn't destroy the sentinals.
Trinity couldn't brake the Logos because pulling all the way up stalled the craft. She was flying a hovercraft, and up in the clouds there isn't anything to hover on.
Would protective armor really help the APU's? The sentinals can brake through glass and metal, as well as melt it with a laser beam if it is necessary.
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Yikes, I am an idiot. Thanks for clearing those issues up, VP, I can now utterly bask in the brilliance of the Matrix and gawk at my stupidity. Although, to my defense, I didn't really need ALL that explaining...i realized why the Seraph/Sati/Oracle were at the ending, i just thought it was cheesy. Did Sati really need to be there? But looking back I see how much of an idiot I was :/
But, yes. I have to bow out, since, after all, I enjoyed the Matrix Reloaded so much purely because of the special effects.
And the Trinity-hovercraft thing: How did she pull up that high in the first place? Was it pure momentum?
oh, and this:
| FragFailure wrote: | | I still think the ending was empty. They could've done a lot better. I disagree with VP and Chen. I bet LOTR III blows this away. |
You can't compare the LOTR ending to the Matrix ending. If the movie follows the book, The Return of the King will go several chapters past the actual end of the quest, and then some; I swear, when I was reading the novel and came to the "epilogue," I took my LOTR book and just tossed it over my shoulder. But I suppose that's just Tolkien's style. |
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OK VP.... so what I understood after watching that movie, is that now there is a new matrix, and people are still enslaved to the machine to give energy (except those in Zion), and so we are at square 1 of the ending of the first movie, and I lost 6 hours of my time that did not bring anything to any conclusion. That is what pissed me off.
In brief, nothing has changed.
BTW, I also found that part with the trainman a waste of time.
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| Kazebari wrote: | | You can't compare the LOTR ending to the Matrix ending. If the movie follows the book, The Return of the King will go several chapters past the actual end of the quest, and then some; I swear, when I was reading the novel and came to the "epilogue," I took my LOTR book and just tossed it over my shoulder. But I suppose that's just Tolkien's style. |
There will be no purge of the Shire in the movie.
BTW, by not reading the epilogue, you missed a really great part when the ring bearers embark on the Last Ship
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| Paddyjack wrote: | | Kazebari wrote: | | You can't compare the LOTR ending to the Matrix ending. If the movie follows the book, The Return of the King will go several chapters past the actual end of the quest, and then some; I swear, when I was reading the novel and came to the "epilogue," I took my LOTR book and just tossed it over my shoulder. But I suppose that's just Tolkien's style. |
There will be no purge of the Shire in the movie.
BTW, by not reading the epilogue, you missed a really great part when the ring bearers embark on the Last Ship |
Well, that's a relief.
What I meant was I should've thrown the book over my shoulder, but I didn't. Being a geeky 10 year old trapped in an old rice-paddy farmhouse in rural China during summer, I had nothing else to do so I read the epilogue and all the appendixes :/
| Paddy wrote: | | OK VP.... so what I understood after watching that movie, is that now there is a new matrix, and people are still enslaved to the machine to give energy (except those in Zion), and so we are at square 1 of the ending of the first movie, and I lost 6 hours of my time that did not bring anything to any conclusion. That is what pissed me off. |
With some changes: Machines are not at war with the humans, Trinity is not alive, Neo and Agent Smith are gone, and humans are given a choice as to whether they stay in the matrix or not. |
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| Paddyjack wrote: | OK VP.... so what I understood after watching that movie, is that now there is a new matrix, and people are still enslaved to the machine to give energy (except those in Zion), and so we are at square 1 of the ending of the first movie, and I lost 6 hours of my time that did not bring anything to any conclusion. That is what pissed me off.
In brief, nothing has changed.
BTW, I also found that part with the trainman a waste of time. |
What Kazebari said. It's obvious that some humans might want to simply stayed plugged into the 20th century world rather than go to Zion, so in the new matrix, they are given a choice. Everything has changed. I don't see how you can say that the ending wasn't a conclusion. The matrix is safe, the war ends and peace is made, the machines are willing to let the humans ib the matrix go. Would you rather they skipped 5 years into the future to show....err....hmm........the peace that has already been shown between the humans and machines? Unless the machines turned Neo into a cyborg and launched another assault at Zion, this ending would be even cheesier, boring, and over-done than the current one. Instead of cursing the movie, why don't you shed some glorious light into what they could have done better or different? If you come close to saying anything that isn't original, your arguement is automatically rendered null and void, because obviously the original movie can't copy anything. Until you give me a better ending/movie altogether, then I am going to assume you are a little.....dim....I can spew forth anything I want to about anything I see, but I need to back it up before I do.
The trainman was a very important part. It explained why Neo could destroy the sentinels at the end of the 2nd movie and why he can destroy machines altogether in the real world. Without explaining that, the whole "Neo seeing machines and destroying them with thoughts even though he's blind" would make no sense whatsoever.
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| Violent Pacifist wrote: | | The trainman was a very important part. It explained why Neo could destroy the sentinels at the end of the 2nd movie and why he can destroy machines altogether in the real world. Without explaining that, the whole "Neo seeing machines and destroying them with thoughts even though he's blind" would make no sense whatsoever. |
Neo was able to destroy the machines because 1. The powers of the One extend beyond just the Matrix and 2. Because Neo had touched the Source when he say the Architect, which explained why he was able to 'feel them' and destroy them with his thoughts
The whole trainman thing confuses me a little, maybe you can explain more
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| Violent Pacifist wrote: | | Paddyjack wrote: | OK VP.... so what I understood after watching that movie, is that now there is a new matrix, and people are still enslaved to the machine to give energy (except those in Zion), and so we are at square 1 of the ending of the first movie, and I lost 6 hours of my time that did not bring anything to any conclusion. That is what pissed me off.
In brief, nothing has changed.
BTW, I also found that part with the trainman a waste of time. |
What Kazebari said. It's obvious that some humans might want to simply stayed plugged into the 20th century world rather than go to Zion, so in the new matrix, they are given a choice. Everything has changed. I don't see how you can say that the ending wasn't a conclusion. The matrix is safe, the war ends and peace is made, the machines are willing to let the humans ib the matrix go. Would you rather they skipped 5 years into the future to show....err....hmm........the peace that has already been shown between the humans and machines? Unless the machines turned Neo into a cyborg and launched another assault at Zion, this ending would be even cheesier, boring, and over-done than the current one. Instead of cursing the movie, why don't you shed some glorious light into what they could have done better or different? If you come close to saying anything that isn't original, your arguement is automatically rendered null and void, because obviously the original movie can't copy anything. Until you give me a better ending/movie altogether, then I am going to assume you are a little.....dim....I can spew forth anything I want to about anything I see, but I need to back it up before I do.
The trainman was a very important part. It explained why Neo could destroy the sentinels at the end of the 2nd movie and why he can destroy machines altogether in the real world. Without explaining that, the whole "Neo seeing machines and destroying them with thoughts even though he's blind" would make no sense whatsoever. |
So, basically, what you are telling me, is that having a Matrix with humans enslaved to it, like rats in a laboratory, and all the rest of them living in caves, way below the surface is a good thing.... Come on. Thats complete bullshit. The Matrix was the fight of Humanity to end their slavery, not the fight to save Zion. Why not then propose a peace where humans and machine lives side by side on the surface? I'm sure you saw Animatrix, and how all of this started. I'm even sure the authors could have found a way to clear the clouds, and everybody living on the surface.
On the current state, Humanity lost, and gained nothing, except a little respite back in their caves.
And about the trainman, it was too long, and it is the Oracle which in fact gave the explanation.
| Quote: | | Until you give me a better ending/movie altogether, then I am going to assume you are a little.....dim.... |
BTW, never assume something like that, I know I can stand up to you anytime from that side....
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