Should we limit snipers on Acropolis to -1

MuLiShA · Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:11 pm Post subject:

Hoax, was it needed to be said? No. He was giving his opinion and did it normally, and then you say that. Like I said, not cool.
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Thom Yorke Obliterator · Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:18 pm Post subject:

If Snipers aren't effective . . . . . then why are so many excellent players complaining that Snipers annoy them and ruin their game? A good Sniper is an effective defender in a large team game. Especially if they are good at spy-spotting (sorry Frag) and pinpointing the speedy offensive specialists (sorry SoDum). It's funny to watch someone get gibbed a dozen times in a row because the enemy Snipers know their conc points.

Are Snipers worth a damn in a league style game? Nope. Do we play that style at the Ville? Nope. If you want to play conc-versus-Solly-at-chokepoint-ad-infinitum, join TVL. My team will be glad to let you beat us up.

And hey, if we banned all the classes that annoyed me, there'd be 10 Civilians on each team.

hoaxie · Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:27 pm Post subject:

My Personal Insanity · Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:31 pm Post subject:

Now HEY! If you remove snipers from that map, who am I going to set on
fire???? You can't take the joy of sniper-roasting away from me!

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SoDum · Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:40 pm Post subject:

Snipers do not help your team, and if you think otherwise jesus doesn't love you and you were probably beaten as a child.
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Krayonz · Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:40 pm Post subject:

Snipers are cheap and ruin some maps, if not most maps. Although some skill is required, it is not hard to move your hand and release a mouse button. Every other class has to work twice as hard to kill somebody when a sniper can just sit out of danger and kill people. The only skill really learned from sniping is learning to run away from people. Sniping is probably the least effective offensive class, and most of the time not very helpful to the defense. If snipers were limited on maps like acropolis2 and badlands, there would be much more offense and the D would actually see people once in a while. Instead there is hardly any O, and a lot of D because nobody wants to run around and get killed by someone they can't see, much less kill. I know if I am going to die, I want to at least put up a decent fight.
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hoaxie · Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:43 pm Post subject:

FragFailure · Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:46 pm Post subject:

and Kray could say he is a sniper expert too...
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My Personal Insanity · Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:47 pm Post subject:

Snaggletooth · Guest

Um....how do you say....not funny? This thread sucks...just like snipers.

Chen Kenichi · Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:48 pm Post subject:

My feelings on this matter are pretty mixed. TFC is all about balance. When there are 3 snipers on a team the game unbalanced dramatically. One of two things will usually take place:

A. The snipers pwn the yard which irritates the other team. In turn their would-be offense hides in the base. They have no good snipers and the game gets boring.

B. The snipers suck and your team ends up losing horribly because a few idiot snipers aren't concerned with the team.

Even when the snipers are of equal skill one will usually back off and hide by respawn because he doesn't want to die. Most snipers are statwh0res and could care less about the team. I think a good majority of snipers would enjoy HLDM or something less team oriented.

I don't think snipers should be completely removed though. A good sniper who is concerned about the team will help. IMO the sniper limit should be 1. I believe sniper has its place in game, but too many make it unbalanced and rediculus. Same goes for HW and Engi. Two camping HW's, a sniper, and an engineer should be able to hold off cap point 1/5 on warpath the entire game. The HW limit should be 1 and the Engi should be 2.

However, I don't think EVERY class needs to be limited. Medic and soldier don't disrupt balance when used in great numbers because they are so well rounded. If the sniper and HW aim wasn't as accurate then they rounded off and wouldn't attract so many n00bs. COMPLETE equality is not a good thing IMO though. That's why I can't stand it when a team is up by 40 and someone cries about team stacking. If complete equality is your thing then I also suggest you play UT.

I also agree with SoDum about the 'part of the game' thing. Like in the examples he mentioned not all parts of the game are used or allowed. Balance is the name of the game and without some restrictions/limits it would be hardly be fun.
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hoaxie · Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:54 pm Post subject:

What is so disheartening is that when you slam snipers, you are slamming the people who play that class. That is a shame. They paid (okay some did) for this game the same as everyone else (those who did). Most of them follow the rules here at The Ville and are good people and excellent teamplayers.

Then again... this seems rather cyclical... this week it is snipers... last week it was medics, next week it will be spies (again), and the following week it will be HWs (again), and on and on and on...

And what does all this accomplish? A lot of hurt feelings. Nothing more.
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MuLiShA · Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:55 pm Post subject:

Snipers are lame. I have my opinion, you have yours. My is not likely to change either.
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My Personal Insanity · Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2002 11:59 pm Post subject:

MuLiShA · Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2002 12:01 am Post subject:

I haven't seen a sniper cry yet :/
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