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4 soldiers? How about 4 scouts with concs ready.

I know your an old school TF'r but seriously aiming conc'ed with the RPG isn't that easy. In fact it isn't really easy at all. And as for your theory about just aiming a little high and right, that's also wrong. When conc'ed all it does is create the 'illusion' that your aim is moving. Your view and your crosshairs move in a figure 8, however your actual aim remains unchanged. This is why some HW use tracers, b/c one will move with the conc in the figure 8 and the other will stay in the natural aiming position.

Soldies do have to aim, and not only do they have to aim, they have to anticipate. Your number of rockets is limited and therefore it's crucial for a good soldier to be as accurate as possible with the ones that he has. And using 2 rockets to kill 'most classes'.... yea that might be true if your talking about face shots but infact it takes 2 rockets to kill snipers/engies/scouts and atleast 3 to kill any other class assuming their are at full health and your not smacking them in the face every single time.

Moreover, they are also the second slowest class in the game, so running away from a fight is absolutely not an option. Additionally the solly secondary grenade is probably the least useful secondary grenade of all the other classes (except for maybe napalms, caltrops are primary, not secondary).

And back to the beating 4 sollies..... who said you have to kill them???? Fragging is not the key to this game. capping IS. You dont' have to kill the 4 soldiers, just get around them, and if they are as spread out as you said they were, then your really only avoiding 1 or 2 and if you can't do that then an 'overpowered' class isn't the issue.
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[BitterBeerFace]

How to counter a soldier... it depends on the location... tight, enclosed spaces, HW or Demo works well for me... out in the open, I choose medic... As with any class, a really good player will make it extremely hard to deal with them, but there are always ways around it

[CyC0Dad]

[Warhammer]

[Computer]

I will also make this my parting shot.

The real issue I suppose is this. To compensate for the soldiers wide area they can attack and they amount of damage they can do is countered by the speed at which the rockets move. Most of the time they are avoidable. Albeit when there are 4 of them avoiding them can be quite difficult.

Soldies like every other class has their strengths. And all class has that one thing that you hate that makes them that much better. The key to beating some good soldiers is just to avoid them. Killing them isn't the issue, capping flags and getting points for you team is. Duking it out with a solly to see who can kill who isn't important to the team goal.
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[Whatever]

Well, just my two cents, but I voted for soldiers. They are the most balanced class in the game, and when you get several good soldiers on one team, they can be very hard to get past. I hate going up against players like Trigger and Warhammer, as I know I will get killed a lot.

I think that aiming for a soldier is different. I am NOT saying it is easy to do, but there is an advantage with splash, and that is a balance for having only 4 rockets in the tube. It just seems that most good soldiers are very good at reloading often to offset that and then it seems like they are too tough to beat.

As for spam from demos, I admit to doing that at times. I am no Albino or Raphx, but I won't shy away from throwing 6 pipes very quickly around a corner. It is no different than another class throwing a grenade in the death room or over the balcony in Avanti. A lot of classes can spam, but demos get all the flak. What should a demo do, try to hit everybody precisely with their pipes? Demos are a big part of Avanti, especially on O against SGs, and I am always happy to have Raphx and Albino on my team.

I have to mention pipe laying too, as it is a viable option in game. I will use it to guard a flag near a cap sometimes. I love how people complain and say that is so boring...the thing is that you are not playing that way, so why worry about it. I could say that same thing about soldiers who stay near the cap points or engis who build SGs. It is a part of the game, so there is no reason to rile people up with opinions like that. I hate snipers who shoot me a dozen times in a row, but that does not mean I am going to get all mad and post about how lame that is. I will just make it a point to kill that sniper at least once!

Do that same thing to Raphx. He loves it when you do that...I know I get a kick out of killing him near his pipes.

LOL...later all.
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[CyC0Dad]

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well since you returned to the conversation I guess that I will do the same. I hope you aren't getting angry b/c I think this is civil so far and I would like to keep it that way

Now this splash area isn't as gigantic as you make it out to be. They a very balanced class and they happen to be particularly lethal when in the hands of skilled players.

Previously you mentioned that not all of the soldiers could be hit my a single conc which I took to imply that they were not all guarding the same area. Therefore I also assumed that since there were only for and they were spread out, atleast two fo them had to be somewhere other than where you were going. Leaving 2 soldiers to deal with, I'll also assume that you aren't on a team by yourself and there is some kind of coverfire, if you are completely incappable of avoiding them under this condition..........

And you are right, we don't have to aim perfectly. But these rockets aren't moving at light speed and can be avoided. And even if you do get hit, try and be in a position that the splash will send you in the direction you wanna go, or get really close to him so he either shoots you in the face, which won't splash you back, and do damage to himself.
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I say: "Always have backup on O!" You can get past a lot. Go in one by one. Conc at least one solly, trick them by running forward and then suddenly backing up so they miss, and then HH to the flag. Just make sure you don't get right in front of them. If you die, you have your backup waiting.
But really good soldiers block entranceways, like in 2fort. One blocks the spiral, one blocks the elev. They hear you coming, so they prime a grenade and get ready. So it'd be hard to conc them, but it'd be really good if you conc them out of the way. If he's out of the way, he has a lower chance of hitting you. Just use the backup move to trick the soldier if he has good anticipation. Soldiers aren't that annoying, although they are the best class to have on defense.

[SoDum]

Four soldiers? Piece of cake if there arn't any Choke points. I avoid maps like that like the plague though... So i wouldn't know.

Option one: Conc past them, conc back out. Simple enough.

Option two: Get four HWs and smoke those foos!

Option three: Get one soldier to draw thier fire while a lighter class slips behind, like a medic. Then the medic can infect them. (which makes four dead sollys since everyone will of course kill themselves.)

[BigCaulk69]

[OS]

It depends on what class I'm playing.
HWGuy - Pyro.

Sniper - Soldier.

Engie - Spy.

**Scout - HWGuy **

These are just a few examples, but it also depends on what map it is as well.

[CyC0Dad]

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[BigCaulk69]