| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Lhiannan_Shee
Registered User
Joined: 05 Apr 2004
Location: Edmonton, AB Guild: TVR
Posts: 339
|
 Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:24 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
| Kahlan Amnell wrote: |
You fought my research saying it had the qualifying language in it... what research that is still ongoing, which we both agree that the research here is not done, has no qualifying terms in it? none to my knowledge. they need to leave the results open, able to change, because the results are not yet conclusive. |
True, but there is also conflicting research, which I pointed out. I also believe that a lot of the research is probably biased... just like those who are interpreting it. So when such terms like "may" or "probably".... I just don't really buy it... what is wrong with stating that as a reason in my argument?
| Kahlan Amnell wrote: |
| Lhiannan_Shee wrote: | | To see you actually compare marijuana users to people who commit murders or run red lights is just.... disheartening to say the least. You also made a comment about legalizing it for purely "personal enjoyment" or something along that lines.... lots of things are produced these days solely for personal enjoyment. Lots of them are also borderline dangerous to people. Marijuana is not so special that it should be illegal. |
The comparisons weren't meant to be parallel's of each other, they are separate, and should be interpretted as such, I think he was just trying to prove that one should consider this more .. seriously? (can't think of a word to describe it, sorry) |
I take this matter very seriously... and I still do not think that those things can be compared to marijuana usage.
| Kahlan Amnell wrote: |
Just because some people react more "responsibly" while driving while high, driving slower on a faster highway can still cause accidents. |
And how do you know that someone high would drive slower on a fast highway? The research never mentioned anything to that effect, except that stoned drivers tend to be more cautious. People drive stoned now all the time, and usually the only slowpokes I see on the highway are old people. They seem a LOT more dangerous to me than stoned drivers. I'm still wanting to figure out why people seem to think that marijuana should stay illegal because people think there might be more stoned drivers.... because i think it would cut down on stoned drivers, as they could actually start doing tests for marijuana at checkstops....
| Kahlan Amnell wrote: | | Some claim that Americans are unmovable in their "false" opinions, but they can't open their minds to consider where others are coming from. Just because you and/or your friends haven't been affected negatively, or you blame other drugs for why they are irresponsible, it seems... funny to me, yet sad. |
Gee, who is this mainly directed at? I find that whole paragraph quite amusing. Please, tell me exactly how you find me funny, and sad?
Just for the record: When I said "Americans" I was thinking more along the lines of North Americans.... I am married to a wonderful American man, who shares a simular viewpoint to me. My mind is not closed, I have listened/researched both sides of the argument and the reasons against legalization just haven't been enough to win me over. I honestly lack to see how it could win ANYONE over.
| Kahlan Amnell wrote: |
Hopefully, though doubtfully, people can open their minds a little and actually have a discussion about important topics without he said she said arguing tactics, just attack the point in the thread, not the people arguing.
|
| Kahlan Amnell wrote: |
I don't know, your post just came across as.. superior. I know it is hard to convey what you truly mean to say, as compared to when you are face to face, so I am going to say it was just the text.  |
And gee, I wonder who it could be who is attacking people personally?
Or do you think just because you can "blame" it on text and put a smiley face by it that it's okay? In fact, I'm pretty sure you posted that stuff probably just to get me riled up... so you would end up looking like the little innocent princess admin while I look like.....
_________________
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
KopiKat
Registered User
Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 923
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Ya know some people will just argue with anything. 
The discussion is over, let it go.
-KK
_________________
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Potato-VS-
Registered User
Joined: 16 Jul 2002
Location: Ontario Canada
Posts: 1562
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject: |
|
|
No one here seems to consider the fact that because pot is illegal, a lot of people don't do it - even though they want to. Kami's point about all of the stoners coming from no where really doesn’t make any sense to me. If the drug is made legal, logically, more people will do it. Just because of the fact that it's illegal thousands of people don't smoke MJ - simply because they don’t want to break the law and risk the possibility of being caught. Logically, if the drug becomes legal more people will do it. Therefore, logically because of this fact you increase the number of people who drive while either smoking pot or while high. It’s just like drinking and driving - even if a person isn’t drinking while they drive they can still be impaired from drinks that they’ve had before they start to drive.
As to alcohol being banned, violence did occur but in a similar way as when alcohol was legal. Sure, the crime grew, smuggling grew and I'm sure that deaths occurred while it was illegal - but that also occurs when it is legal. It occurs with any drug if it's legal or illegal. Saying that the government can do more research if the drug is made legal doesn’t really make sense to me either. As it is now, the government has access to police and scientist reports from around the globe on the effects of MJ while driving as well as the effects of MJ in general. Simply through practical experience they are able to understand the effects of MJ on motor skills and reaction time. I’m sure that the government - or at least a research company - somewhere in the world has done an actual study on the reaction times of individuals while under the influence of pot. And I’m also sure that they recorded results from tests that they’ve run themselves.
Either way, the argument really isn’t going anywhere. I don’t believe that it’s because people are ‘entrenched’ I believe that it’s because of two different view points on a significant issue in the world. Simply put, it’s just like any other ethical/legal/social issue such as gay marriage, the War in Iraq, abortion, etc. Both sides have valid points, both sides have right to argue what they argue and both sides – in some ways – are correct in their arguments. Certain issues and topics in our society reach a point of impasse. This is simply because both sides have valid points and valid reasoning and neither side can gain any kind of significant stance against the other. Pot, for the near – if not distant – future will remain illegal. I personally cannot see the US or Canadian governments actually legalizing pot when it comes down to it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Kahlan Amnell
Queen of Spam
Joined: 20 Jan 2004
Location: work...ahhhhh
Posts: 3424
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:40 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Lhiannan_Shee wrote: | | Kahlan Amnell wrote: |
Just because some people react more "responsibly" while driving while high, driving slower on a faster highway can still cause accidents. |
And how do you know that someone high would drive slower on a fast highway? The research never mentioned anything to that effect, except that stoned drivers tend to be more cautious. People drive stoned now all the time, and usually the only slowpokes I see on the highway are old people. They seem a LOT more dangerous to me than stoned drivers. I'm still wanting to figure out why people seem to think that marijuana should stay illegal because people think there might be more stoned drivers.... because i think it would cut down on stoned drivers, as they could actually start doing tests for marijuana at checkstops.... |
except for this: | Quote: | | Cannabis intoxication often makes smokers more aware of their impairment, causing them to slow down and become more cautious while also worsening reaction time and attention. |
| Lhiannan_Shee wrote: | | Kahlan Amnell wrote: |
I don't know, your post just came across as.. superior. I know it is hard to convey what you truly mean to say, as compared to when you are face to face, so I am going to say it was just the text. |
And gee, I wonder who it could be who is attacking people personally?
Or do you think just because you can "blame" it on text and put a smiley face by it that it's okay? In fact, I'm pretty sure you posted that stuff probably just to get me riled up... so you would end up looking like the little innocent princess admin while I look like..... |
no, it has been brought up in many threads, it is hard to convey a tone of voice in text, and some can misinterpret the intent of the writer. I actually refrained from my normal amount of smileys, or hadnt you noticed I tend to use a lot of smileys?
As far as I was aware, this was a discussion? Why would one persons post be intended to rile up one person? shouldn't it "rile" up everyone that has an opposing view?
little innocent princess admin.... wow. so, what does my having admin have to do with this discussion? would you prefer that i refrain from posting anything? just because I am an admin I can't have an opinion? and try to voice it?
and very well said Potato.
_________________
http://ctprofiles.net/799963 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ROOFCUTTER
Server Admin
Joined: 12 Aug 2001
Location: =USV=
Posts: 9271
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
So what has the drug laws done for our freedoms?
How did the goverment get to the point where they can seize assets without due process?
How has the drug laws effected the criminal justise system?
How has the drug related prision load effected how violent criminals are handled?
How is it you can have freedom to smoke a fetus but not smoke a weed?
How many stereos has it taken to feed heroin habbits?
Why do we spend mega money on counteracting drugs?
So how does everyone feel about prostitution?
_________________
Only in America......do they have drive-up ATM machines with Braille lettering.
Last edited by ROOFCUTTER on Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:47 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Rebel_Rouser
Server Admin
Joined: 05 Jan 2004
Location: Waldorf, MD Guild:=US-V=V$
Posts: 1917
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I think its time for the padlock
_________________
Longest Running Show in Broadway History 1/9/06 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
powdermilkman
Diplomat
Joined: 04 Jan 2003
Location: Good Ole Jackson, MS
Posts: 1790
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Yep its time for the lock...if anyone has a problem with me locking it please contact me through PM's...i will be more than happy to discuss it with you there and my reason for doing this.
Thank you
Powder |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
