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 Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: EXPLOITS & the ville |
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| Blue Ruler wrote: | What is an Exploit:
2. getting onto or up to places that require assistance from another player |
Is this not a key part of teamwork? Is it not unreasonable to assume that the game's creators and for that matter the actual war hero's used one another to boost each other to places when there was no or path? Now if a mapper screwed up in his design I can see using that design screw up as a exploit, but I can in no way see using teamwork as a exploit.... IMO simply saying you cant use a teammate to boost you is way to general of a rule and takes away from the teamwork aspect of the game.....
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: EXPLOITS & the ville |
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| ProudWhiteTrash wrote: | | Blue Ruler wrote: | What is an Exploit:
2. getting onto or up to places that require assistance from another player |
Is this not a key part of teamwork? Is it not unreasonable to assume that the game's creators and for that matter the actual war hero's used one another to boost each other to places when there was no or path? Now if a mapper screwed up in his design I can see using that design screw up as a exploit, but I can in no way see using teamwork as a exploit.... IMO simply saying you cant use a teammate to boost you is way to general of a rule and takes away from the teamwork aspect of the game..... |
Did they stand on each other's heads in the real thing? There aren't any areas in a map that you are supposed to get to that require you to stand on another player, anyway.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: EXPLOITS & the ville |
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| Stevo wrote: | | ProudWhiteTrash wrote: | | Blue Ruler wrote: | What is an Exploit:
2. getting onto or up to places that require assistance from another player |
Is this not a key part of teamwork? Is it not unreasonable to assume that the game's creators and for that matter the actual war hero's used one another to boost each other to places when there was no or path? Now if a mapper screwed up in his design I can see using that design screw up as a exploit, but I can in no way see using teamwork as a exploit.... IMO simply saying you cant use a teammate to boost you is way to general of a rule and takes away from the teamwork aspect of the game..... |
Did they stand on each other's heads in the real thing? There aren't any areas in a map that you are supposed to get to that require you to stand on another player, anyway. |
Sure there are. Just look around for some ledges that are a wee bit to high for you to get to by yourself. They don't give you any huge advantage besides the fact that people normally won't look for you there.
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ProudWhiteTrash
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: EXPLOITS & the ville |
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| Stevo wrote: | | ProudWhiteTrash wrote: | | Blue Ruler wrote: | What is an Exploit:
2. getting onto or up to places that require assistance from another player |
Is this not a key part of teamwork? Is it not unreasonable to assume that the game's creators and for that matter the actual war hero's used one another to boost each other to places when there was no or path? Now if a mapper screwed up in his design I can see using that design screw up as a exploit, but I can in no way see using teamwork as a exploit.... IMO simply saying you cant use a teammate to boost you is way to general of a rule and takes away from the teamwork aspect of the game..... |
Did they stand on each other's heads in the real thing? There aren't any areas in a map that you are supposed to get to that require you to stand on another player, anyway. |
Did they not? Ever war training movie I ever seen had wall's where people worked as a team to overcome it.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: EXPLOITS & the ville |
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| ProudWhiteTrash wrote: | | Stevo wrote: | | ProudWhiteTrash wrote: | | Blue Ruler wrote: | What is an Exploit:
2. getting onto or up to places that require assistance from another player |
Is this not a key part of teamwork? Is it not unreasonable to assume that the game's creators and for that matter the actual war hero's used one another to boost each other to places when there was no or path? Now if a mapper screwed up in his design I can see using that design screw up as a exploit, but I can in no way see using teamwork as a exploit.... IMO simply saying you cant use a teammate to boost you is way to general of a rule and takes away from the teamwork aspect of the game..... |
Did they stand on each other's heads in the real thing? There aren't any areas in a map that you are supposed to get to that require you to stand on another player, anyway. |
Did they not? Ever war training movie I ever seen had wall's where people worked as a team to overcome it. |
does anyone want to help me work as a team and get shaft to realize that these are the rules that the admins set, whether he likes it or not. 
hows that for teamwork |
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BOOOOOO
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| Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:19 am Post subject: Re: EXPLOITS & the ville |
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| Jfet Zener the Great wrote: | does anyone want to help me work as a team and get shaft to realize that these are the rules that the admins set, whether he likes it or not.
hows that for teamwork |
Didn't know we had a debate here, sorry I missed it. |
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Someone's always gotta bitch about something 
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Yeah even if there are ledges you can't get to, the developers didn't intend for you to get to them. The rules are the rules, so if you want to stand on the other players, go to another server...
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| Stevo wrote: | | Yeah even if there are ledges you can't get to, the developers didn't intend for you to get to them. The rules are the rules, so if you want to stand on the other players, go to another server... |
unless by being "on the other players" you mean on BRN....well then that is perfectly fine. |
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Who's debating. I stated a opinion. What would be nice is if a admin would address my opinion rather than make smart ass remarks and comments. Are you people that insecure that someone cant express there opinion around you. Grow the love up you cry babies, you chose to accept admin duties and part of those duties is to listen to what people have to say. CRY shaft has a opinion CRY letn not comment on his opinion cause its valid and makes sense CRY..........gg morons........
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| Stevo wrote: | | Yeah even if there are ledges you can't get to, the developers didn't intend for you to get to them. The rules are the rules, so if you want to stand on the other players, go to another server... |
Stevo I usually dont single people out for stupidity but your such a huge example I feel I need to. Read my sig a few times over and here's a even better peice of advice. Think before you speak. There ARE many ledges and such that game developers DID intend for you to be able to perch ontop of with assistance from teammates.
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| ProudWhiteTrash wrote: | | Who's debating. I stated a opinion. What would be nice is if a admin would address my opinion rather than make smart ass remarks and comments. Are you people that insecure that someone cant express there opinion around you. Grow the love up you cry babies, you chose to accept admin duties and part of those duties is to listen to what people have to say. CRY shaft has a opinion CRY letn not comment on his opinion cause its valid and makes sense CRY..........gg morons........ |
You sure are making it seem like an argument...
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RAWR!
Ok, I'll answer you;
| Shaft wrote: | | Is this not a key part of teamwork? Is it not unreasonable to assume that the game's creators and for that matter the actual war hero's used one another to boost each other to places when there was no or path? Now if a mapper screwed up in his design I can see using that design screw up as a exploit, but I can in no way see using teamwork as a exploit.... IMO simply saying you cant use a teammate to boost you is way to general of a rule and takes away from the teamwork aspect of the game..... |
We are considering it an exploit on any map and will ban if continued after warning. We are not going to sit and attempt to decide whether the mappers or game creators "screwed up their design" or not. Some could say the nade exploit was intended. I feel it wasn't but I'm not going to debate that. It's simply not allowed here. Further more, it is a rule we The Ville are upholding regardless of whether the mappers or game creators intended it or not. Some servers limit or do not allow things like bunnyhopping and scripts. Does that make them horrible? No, it just set's them apart from other servers. It's a rule that certain server chooses to enforce. This bannable exploit is The Ville's rule. Regardless of who thinks it should be allowed or not. While your opinion is heard and welcome, it's not going to change the decision at this point.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Stevo wrote: | | You sure are making it seem like an argument... |
Only because you feel the need to include your moronic dribblings in the thread. You see when someone replies to my post with stupidity. I have the right to respond to that stupidity, until the moderators delete, move or lock the thread. Or maybe even ban me from the forum. The internet is not a license to say moronic things at will...
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