I'm Sick Of It

Chen Kenichi · Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:33 am Post subject:

First off, I am very impartial to either side of the political scene. I am not voting in either direction as of now.

There are two problems with the orange part of your post Powers. If Bush's sole purpose for invading Iraq was to get oil, he would have invaded some place like Venezuala, not the Middle East. Secondly, if what you said was actually believed to be true, the Democrats would be harping on your points until every last Republican converted. But, they're not. Why? If it was true they would have no problem getting Bush out of office. Bush, believe it or not, had higher motives when he invaded Iraq. Saying Bush just wanted oil is like saying Gray Davis had nothing to do with California's financial problems (ba da CHING!).

There are actually other reasons why Iraq was invaded. First off, Saddam violated the U.N. sanctions he had placed upon him. Next, he gave no proof of destorying the WMD's he had. And while there are no direct connections between Saddam and Al Qaeda, several bodies in Iraq have been identified as Al Qaeda ring-leaders. Saddam openly supported terrorism and finicially contributed to the bombings in Israel. Now we also have a foothold in that area in the Middle East. Another country will be free and Saddam can't behead innocent people in the streets anymore.

Republicans (who are generally Christian) believe Bush is an honest, God-fearing man who acts in what he believes is best. None of the Democratic smearing has yet put Bush below any of the primaries.

Democrats attack Bush because:

1.) He rushed past the U.N. to get to war
2.) He hasn't found Osama (now being pinned on the CIA)
3.) He hasn't found any WMD's. (also now being pinned on the CIA)
4.) He sucked up a lot of money for the war
5.) His plan for rebuilding Iraq is shaky at best
6.) The economy isn't exactly great after Clinton managed to pull in a surplus

I suppose that is enough not to re-elect Bush, but the Democrats have not posed a strong candidate yet. They are trying to go so far Left that they are losing the middle American, who will ultimately decide the next president. If the Democrats continue to push someone like Howard Dean, there really isn't a chance for the Democrats to regain presidency. There is still a lot of time left before the election, and we'll just have to see how it plays out.
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Chen Kenichi · Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:38 am Post subject:

Speaker's Xeno · Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: I'm Sick Of It

Potato-VS- · Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 5:21 pm Post subject:

Damn I should print some of this off and give it to my cousin - hes so anti bush and american if I didnt know him Id say he was a terrorist

. ALot of really good points made here as well. I do agree with some. Though Im not sure about the CIA being the best in the world... After all, bond gets all those cool gadgets that blow stuff up and drive under water and and

... Yea Ok then.

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SpeCies · Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 8:47 pm Post subject:

Just a bunch of locker room rhetoric that you will find before a college football game.I don't like Bush but I am not going to slam him and his decision to go into afghanistan or iraq. Sadly 9-11-2001 was americas wake-up call which prompted many over due changes in this nations security. Imagine 9-11 never happened ? No heightened security at our nations airports, boarders, or Port-of-authority where container ships from all around the world off-load and distribute this nations supply of <you name it>

Imagine it's new years eve and you are anticipating bringing in the new year with a bang with plans on going to watch the ball drop on t.v as you do every year.

The following morning you are awaken like I was on Sept 11, 2001 with: This is a NBC Special Report, talking about the attacks that happened. only it isn't NBC! It is some network affiliate out of North Carolina reporting that a nuclear blast has been detonated in New Yorks harbor and it is estimated that the entire Tri-state area (NY,NJ,Del) has been annihilated and the casulity count is enormous ?

Only if I ? Yeah right, game over !

Imagine this New York City

None of us has the right to say one way or another if President Bush was wrong with committing our troops over there unless we were there. Well, accept maybe one who has not replied. Compared to what could of been I think we got off easy

I support Bush's desision !
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YourPowersAreWeakOldMan · Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 9:24 pm Post subject:

FragFailure · Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 9:29 pm Post subject:

Simply put...

1 - I'd rather have Bush in office rather than Gore. These jihad people want us dead at all costs. They don't respect us as human beings as we respect life.

2 - They don't believe in freedom of choice. It's their way or your die. Does this sound familiar? Think back 60 or so years. You want people like that to be pampered, appeased and ignored? You want a country like that who still has slave camps and rape rooms to get even stronger than it is?

The key is this. Bullies do not respect words. Bullies only respect the fist and domination. If a smaller guy is beat on by a bully. Does the bully repect the notion of "talking things out"? Absolutely not! He doesn't feel that he needs to because he can pummel the little guy until he is out of the way or intimidated like hell.

How many years of "warnings" did Iraq get? Didn't Iraq go under the radar in the media from about 1992-2001? Mostly yes

How many resolutions did they ignore? Many

Didn't Hussein kill and gas his own people after the US left? Yes

Did people join the military knowing there was a risk that war could break out? Yes

Were they drafted and forced in? No

Do these other rogue nations value human life? No

Did we want to have "talks" with these countries after 9-11 hoping they'd coming and negotiate for treaties? No

Do cease fires work in Israel and Palestine? No

The sad bottom line is this. If someone with their word says something. It means nothing if the intent is to kill the other. Guns will always beat words. If someone says "I won't hit you" and does. What would you do? Talk with them again? If someone says "I am going to kill your people" and kills 3,000 in one shot.

What would you do if you were the president after 9-11?

I know me and Powers will have to agree to disagree because we ain't gonna change each other's minds. Cause I know I think I'm right and he thinks the same.
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Vicoden · Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 9:36 pm Post subject:

Wow....kinda surprised a post about got heros losing their lives turned into a political debate. I guess it wouldn't really matter if soldiers got the publicity and respect they deserve....most you guys wouldn't give a shit anyway. You would just find an excuse to argue with each other over your own political opinion and what should be done even though you only for the most part think you know 100% what is going on. This country is in a downward spiral and your solution is to blame everyone but yourselves. Blame the President, Blame his cabinet, Blame the CIA.....gets alittle old. How about Stand behind your President and this country and show your support instead of babbling your halfass knowledge of politics.

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Azrael · Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 10:12 pm Post subject:

^^^^^^^^======== Is why I didn't want to post about this. Instead, I thought, hey, let everyone talk about how they could best remember those that have died. I don't think the guys who died gave two shits about anyone elses opinion of their mission. We all went over there with the knowledge that some of us wouldn't come back. We all went over there with the knowledge that what we were doing was necessary. Did we leave friends? Yes. Does it hurt? Yes. I thank God all my friends made it home, but does that mean everyone I knew was as fortunate? No. I for one would not want to see the names of those whom I knew personally splattered across televisions nationwide, if only for the fact that I know someone will try to put some type of political spin on it. I prefer to raise a glass to them, drink it down, and think that somewhere they're raising one to me. That's what we do as Marines. I can't speak for the other services, but we in the Marines always take time to remember the fallen. I am ok with numbers, but I think posting names and faces would be disrespectful of the family and the deceased.

nuff said.
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Smegma · Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 10:47 pm Post subject:

doesn`t bush want to change regulation on some of the endangered species so some of his rich texas buddies can go hunting some of the protected animals, what was it the spokesman said that the money used to kill these animals would go towards saving them. go figure i can`t wait to get my whaling liscence

i will get my humpback tag first there the rarist i think.

but seriously though it sucks that these men and woman are dying over there and for what it looked good in the beginning but now it just sucks but and being i have been in the army for 7 years as a soldier u don`t care for the politics the only thing that matters is that guy who is next to you in your trench ie fire team buddy then your section buddies.etc and all that matters is whatever happens you make it to the next day and so on till the day you all get to come home.

i`ll lift one with azreal for all the fallen comrades who have died doing what they wanted to do in the asshole of the world. #Beer

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Vicoden · Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 10:50 pm Post subject:

----------^^^^^---------- Azrael sorry for giving a shit, guess we should tell those Vietnam vets to shut the hell up about how they came home to a country that ignored them (sarcasm). My intent is not to "splatter" them all over the national news, but at least say more than " 2 soldiers died today....A new investigation shows Bush exaggerated the threat of WMD blah blah blah. I don't think the families would feel disrespect at all, the few local stories that have been on the news, the family was more than happy to go on T.V. and show how proud they were that their son/daughter was able to serve their country. And even after their son/daughter made the ultimate sacrifice they still stood behind their country.

YPAWOM I am not telling you to agree with Bush and if you don't it means you don't love this country. Let me make it a little more clear, This thread was not intended as a soapbox for your political opinon, you just decided to make it that way.

Chen Kenichi · Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:03 pm Post subject:

Chan · Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:10 pm Post subject:

Go Bush go!
I h8 liberals
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Azrael · Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:29 pm Post subject: