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Bada Bing Registered User
Joined: 17 Sep 2001 Location: Pioneer,Ca. Guild:-TPF- Posts: 3054
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 2:50 am Post subject: |
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Blue Ruler wrote: | And just exactly why did so many leave TFC including myself.
Cause it is the same game over and over and over and then the super fast, or whatever you call it, bunny hopper's came and totally destroyed most of us. Call it team stacking or any name you want to put on it no one wants to get owned day after day. What I'm reading into Frags original post is just that. As many have already said if it's not fun no one will play. |
Yay exactly I hear the bhopping ghey glitch will be gone in HL2 so at least TFC2 will be evenly based.Then again maybe they will release the code to everyone again so we get to put up with more ghey cheeturs Now if they will just firmly pull their head from their asses and finish/release the damn thing already.How long will it actually take after HL2 for TFC2 to come out haha they have said since what 98 TFC2 is coming soon _________________
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Spanish Warpig Registered User
Joined: 24 Sep 2001 Location: Portland, OR Guild:<TVB> Posts: 908
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:12 am Post subject: |
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bhop = best ever |
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FragFailure Registered User
Joined: 12 Aug 2001 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 4219
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:29 am Post subject: |
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MikeRotch wrote: | I'll use the round Frag pointed out as an example. Firstly, crasH isnt [njk]RC, and "uh" isnt lio.
The round started out on Well with only around 5 people. "uh" and I ended up on the same team from autojoin and on the other team was Albino, SparX and one or two other people whom I dont recall joined as well. "uh" started off as scout and started capping because basically, the other team had no defense. The members of the red team played yard deathmatching. I went offense a few times, and there was not a single person in their flagroom, or even really in their base. In this situation, how can you not expect to be capped on a lot? More people started joining the game, but basically, reds team was not helping themselves any. They had a soldier on their own roof shooting random rockets, some other yard deathmatchers, and one or two offense. I dont have a problem with people playing whatever/wherever they want or find enjoyable, but please dont complain about alleged teamstacking when the team losing isnt really doing anything to help themselves.
Additionally, "uh", one of the supposed teamstackers, was kicked by an admin present for the comment "gaw, you lose." The admin stated "I dont have time for smartass remarks", when the comment wasnt even directed toward the admin, but was directed at me, in a joking manner. The map was then changed by the admin to 2fort without warning or a vote. Soon after, the server emptied. This is not the type of adminning beneficial to theville tfc community, while blaming it on people for alleged teamstacking. That sort of thing doesnt accomplish anything. |
1. It was within my right to change the map. I'll stand by that. It's been done before. I don't need a vote to end a map that's a drubbing. The winning team isn't gonna say yes to it. I'll change the map over and over if the talent isn't distributed fairly. I've done it in the past. I don't think uneven teams promote fun. This entertainment in the long run isn't it?
2. Some of you guys seem to blur the line between joking and being a smartass. Some comments can be interpreted as smartass. I'll stand by kicking him. I didn't ban him...hell he went right back to the same team up eight caps.
3. When something disturbs me something as what went down. I'm not going to be laid back. I'm still the same person as before. I'm just not on your side of the fense on this one.
4. With the teams the way they were. There was zero chance of that round being competitive. That's all I ask for is competitive. I can live with 100-50 or 100-60. 100-20 in seven minutes I cannot.
5. What type of admin style should I use? The let the score get to 300-30 and sit by and do nothing? I don't agree. Letting rounds like that go isn't beneficial to anyone. Unless someone's idea of fun is beating the crap out of some team to make themselves feel leet. I would assume that it's not. _________________ Yes, I'm still around
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Ju!cy Registered User
Joined: 24 Aug 2003 Location: Fontain Valley, CA Posts: 3
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:43 am Post subject: |
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i never care about score in pub caz i have a lot of fun
i alias caz i can SPAM!!! =) and no1 know me _________________
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Chen Kenichi Registered User
Joined: 15 Dec 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 1136
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:32 am Post subject: |
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MikeRotch wrote: | The round started out on Well with only around 5 people. "uh" and I ended up on the same team from autojoin |
What an obvious attempt to stack the teams so you can own the others.
Quote: | "uh" started off as scout and started capping because basically, the other team had no defense. The members of the red team played yard deathmatching. I went offense a few times, and there was not a single person in their flagroom, or even really in their base. In this situation, how can you not expect to be capped on a lot? |
Silly Mike! Don't you know it's your teams fault! Don't Teamstack!
Quote: | More people started joining the game, but basically, reds team was not helping themselves any. They had a soldier on their own roof shooting random rockets, some other yard deathmatchers, and one or two offense. |
You have to cater to them Michael. You are not allowed to enter the flagroom if they're screwing around in the yard. Don't you know that?
Quote: | I dont have a problem with people playing whatever/wherever they want or find enjoyable, but please dont complain about alleged teamstacking when the team losing isnt really doing anything to help themselves. |
I'm afraid you are wrong Mike. Losing teams are blameless and cannot possibly help themselves. What an incredulous idea. You're always at fault. You should have stayed in spawn and hung your head in shame.
Quote: | The map was then changed by the admin to 2fort without warning or a vote. Soon after, the server emptied. |
Well, what did you expect? Really, Mike. Hissy fits always accomplish the most! I mean, did you actually expect anyone to speak up and say, "Hey, will you switch with me so we can keep the score a little more even?" And didn't you know admins are forbidden to use their player color switch? You see, the scores affect the health of your mother. Losing can actually kill your family! Of course the map had to be changed, even if people wanted to play.
GAW, IM GUNNA LEARN YOU GOOD!
[/smartass] _________________
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ProudWhiteTrash Registered User
Joined: 02 Nov 2001 Location: Ask Your Mom...... Posts: 1048
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:58 am Post subject: |
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I dont even want to touch this thread with a 10 foot pole but this needs to be said. People saying that bunnyhopping ruined the game? I just dont get that.... All bunnyhopping did was make it challenging. I'm far from leet, I cant bhop, I cant aim while conc'd and yet fairly regularly I play against some of the very best in the game and have a ton of fun doing it. Without bunnyhopping there would be little of no offence, the game would be 100% dominated by Defence. _________________ All comments are not nessasary those of the author so should not be taken as so.
Several chemical imbalances and mental health diseases may also exist.
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DJ George Server Admin
Joined: 25 Mar 2003 Location: Where the music is loudest Posts: 1677
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 9:05 am Post subject: |
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I few weeks ago, I was able to cap frequently, because the other team was just playing around, and there was no real game going on. They left their base at no point really to try to cap our flag, and their defense was minimal. Now hands down, I am one of the worst regs at TFC, yet my team had a high score. Was it because I team stacked? After all, I was capping, and my team was winning with a large margin. Or was it because the other team was tring to get crowbar kills for fun? It obviously could not have been the other team tring to have fun in an "unusal" way, since no one ever tries to play it different from what is ment to be. I was obviously team stacking that night! Everytime I join and the map is Well or 2fort, usually they are just playing around, not taking the game seriously. May be that is what this comes down to, Some people are taking this game far too seriously, and tring to mold the game into thier vision of how it should be by claiming team stacking when ever they lose. Because a minority, with some power, want to be able to beat the majority, who have no power, at all times _________________ http://www.barbertonrhps.com - The offical Website for Barberton's West Theater Rocky Horror Picture Show in Ohio
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Paddyjack Registered User
Joined: 15 Jan 2002 Location: Québec, Canada Guild: <eVa> Posts: 1722
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 9:40 am Post subject: |
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SHAFT wrote: | I dont even want to touch this thread with a 10 foot pole but this needs to be said. People saying that bunnyhopping ruined the game? I just dont get that.... All bunnyhopping did was make it challenging. I'm far from leet, I cant bhop, I cant aim while conc'd and yet fairly regularly I play against some of the very best in the game and have a ton of fun doing it. Without bunnyhopping there would be little of no offence, the game would be 100% dominated by Defence. |
Well me I will touch it with my 15 inches dick... euh whatever I'm dreaming I have , and say that on a 5 vs 5, it only takes 2 very good players to make a score of 100-0 very fast, if the other team are not trying to play seriously.
Usually, I do not autojoin, in TFC or DoD, since I want to play a specific class (I wont go in the team with 2-3 engies if I want to be an engy), I usually take the losing team when I want to play engy (just because you guys can't really go past me on a good day.... ), or... on the previous map a teammate pissed me off by his way of playing and I would choose the other team the following map, or.... I see Shockwave in a map, and I will choose his team because I like playing with him, or I will choose the opposing team because I feel like to raise to his challenge and frag his sniping ass
In all these scenarios, there is the one where I add my l337 skills (!) to those of Shockwave.... am I teamstacking? NO. I want to play with him to have fun, period. And we often used funny aliases just because we were drinking while playing, or any other reasons (i remember using Private 43, him using Private 41, just because one regular player on the server was named Private 42 )
To me, it is perfectly natural, when you join the server and you see a good friend, to join his team. After a moment you switch.
I'm thinking that if you had waited 3-4 minutes more, the game would have equilibrated, players leaving, others switching teams, others entering the server.
One thing is sure, even if I'm losing 100-0, something that piss me off is an admin changing the map. It is VERY possible I was in the process to place my sg in a smart position to stop these incoming scouts... and then the map ends.... a pity. _________________ PJ --- ancient IDIOT with a rusty CROWBAR....
but still SWINGING!
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Stevo Ville Supporter
Joined: 08 Dec 2002 Location: Orange County Guild: TVR Posts: 9514
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 10:32 am Post subject: |
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MikeRotch wrote: | I'll use the round Frag pointed out as an example. Firstly, crasH isnt [njk]RC, and "uh" isnt lio.
The round started out on Well with only around 5 people. "uh" and I ended up on the same team from autojoin and on the other team was Albino, SparX and one or two other people whom I dont recall joined as well. "uh" started off as scout and started capping because basically, the other team had no defense. The members of the red team played yard deathmatching. I went offense a few times, and there was not a single person in their flagroom, or even really in their base. In this situation, how can you not expect to be capped on a lot? More people started joining the game, but basically, reds team was not helping themselves any. They had a soldier on their own roof shooting random rockets, some other yard deathmatchers, and one or two offense. I dont have a problem with people playing whatever/wherever they want or find enjoyable, but please dont complain about alleged teamstacking when the team losing isnt really doing anything to help themselves.
Additionally, "uh", one of the supposed teamstackers, was kicked by an admin present for the comment "gaw, you lose." The admin stated "I dont have time for smartass remarks", when the comment wasnt even directed toward the admin, but was directed at me, in a joking manner. The map was then changed by the admin to 2fort without warning or a vote. Soon after, the server emptied. This is not the type of adminning beneficial to theville tfc community, while blaming it on people for alleged teamstacking. That sort of thing doesnt accomplish anything. |
^^What he said^^
The only person that complained at all was Frag. Maybe if everyone else was complaining, I'd agree that changing the map was a good decision. But when everyone's having fun and you change the map, it can cause people to leave, which is what happened. Or if you're gonna change it, at least choose a map with a different gameplay type, like warpath.
I didn't have any problems with my team screwing around while the other team capped. If this were a league, i would care, but not on a pub. I don't care if the score is 100000000000000-0, as long as the teams are even numberwise, I don't care.
BTW, I was that solly on the roof launching the random rockets, and I was having fun. Isn't that what the game is about? I took out a few enemies and a few flag carriers, but it didn't do any good because they came right back and capped, but I didn't care.
I thought admins were here to make the game more enjoyable to everyone. No one was complaining about stacked teams, so they were probably having fun. And when did you ask people directly to switch teams, because saying "These teams are rigged" might not get the attention of players capping and playing the game. Maybe "Can [insert name here] switch to the red team please?" would get their attention. _________________
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Sully Server Admin
Joined: 04 Sep 2001 Location: St. Louis MO <eVa>'s Mascot Posts: 1772
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 10:50 am Post subject: |
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All I can say is that I enjoy going up against the best players around here. If I'm playing warpath and some of these mad conc jumping scouts and meds that play on this server are trying to cap on me, I get a real kick out of trying to stop them. Often, I don't succeed, but I like to flatter myself into thinking that I gave them a challenge.
If my team is getting it's ass kicked, I generally focus in on what I'm not doing to win instead of other reasons why we are losing. If we turn the situation around, it's a very satisfying feeling.
As for folks aliasing, I don't generally do that, but occasionally it's fun to be anonymous. It also serves a purpose for me, since I can catch people doing bad things without them realizing that I'm an admin. I also get a kick out of trying to figure out who the aliased people are. I freaked out Chen a little while ago by guessing who he was just by watching his play style.
I would say this, though. I think both sides of the arguement have valid points, but I'm not impressed with sarcastic or hostile posts. Chen, you've said some good stuff, but you've taken this so personally and become so hostile that I can't see your logic past your poison. I mean no disrespect, I just think that we might all come to an agreement on something if we don't attack each other's positions so viciously. I don't mean to just single out Chen, but I think he can take it, so I used him as an example.
The goal here is to increase TFC play on the ville servers. To do that we have to provide an environment where people enjoy playing. Maybe we can acheive that environment if we put our heads together and discuss this issue instead of defending ourselves against real and imagined insults.
Thanks for your time. _________________
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Blown Registered User
Joined: 15 Dec 2001 Location: Medford Oregon Posts: 4172
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Actually its just easier to switch teams and balance it out. Warpath should never go 210-0 in 10 minutes. Thats just lame IMO. My best games on Warpath have always been 0-0 with a battle the whole time. I dont understand the fun in capping that many times in such a short time frame from either side.
My take on aliasing, dont really care as long as if you see an inbalance to the game, try and make it balance for the fun of it. I dont care if its 5vs5. Anyway, not like anyone cares about my .02 cents. |
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`RaphX Registered User
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 10:54 am Post subject: |
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omfg team stacking is for people like jtHm |
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Mr Hat Registered User
Joined: 22 Nov 2002 Location: FT Lauderdale Posts: 354
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Well Said Sully.....
oh and I lub u Frag _________________
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Paddyjack Registered User
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 11:16 am Post subject: |
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It seems people have still a sense of humor around here, as currently on the TFC server there are several players of the clan [stack] _________________ PJ --- ancient IDIOT with a rusty CROWBAR....
but still SWINGING!
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Chen Kenichi Registered User
Joined: 15 Dec 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 1136
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 11:35 am Post subject: |
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You're right, Sully. I've reread my posts beforehand and I realized they were oozing with sarcasm and one would get a sense of animosity. However... let me try and put this into perspective.
*Hey Sully, stop abusing your admin powers.
*Hey Sully, stop abusing your admin powers.
*Hey Sully, stop abusing your admin powers.
*Wow, The Ville was so much better when Sully didn't abuse his admin powers.
*Hey Sully, stop abusing your admin powers.
*Good Job Sully, you're destroying TFC at The Ville.
*Sully, quit using admin_csay. It's an obvious attempt to distract the enemy.
*Hey Sully, I'm warning you, you better stop it.
*Ok, Sully, next time you do it you are banned from The Ville.
Of course, you're not guilty, but the same people are going to ride you about it again and again.
I don't think these threads are necessarily a bad thing. Even the best family will go through a few fights, and this at least lets both sides exchange views. If you are a victim of an offensive comment, remember it is confined to this thread. I will, in any case, try to tone it down a bit.
**Edit to add**
LOL, it has become sort of a joke like accusations of hacking. CHEETUR! _________________
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