[FragFailure]

I think that my post was really tailored towards High School rather than College. In college you would expect much less generalization toward each individual's education. The other classes I would add are for High School. People need to learn basic things and be prepared for the real world.
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Although I agree with most of Frag's list I do think that even though things may not be necessary to take because it doesn't apply to your real world experience (depending who you are and what you do) I think it is very valuable to have people educated in numerous areas. The more intelligent you are the more of it you're going to use or want to use on a daily basis.

In addition, Learning just the basics in the beginning and then being channeled off into what you want to do for a living beginning in high school is the same education model Japan uses, and look how their country and society work, weird! Most people have no clue what they want to be doing as a freshman, and if they do, it usually changes by the time they are seniors. Even then people many people change their major when they get to college and change their mind on what they want to do.

Science in my opinion, is the most important of neglected subjects. Science is not only useless understandings of the way plants reproduce, how the Earth changes due to plate tectonics, the impact on the gravitational pull of the moon and it has impact on all life on Earth, what the atomic weight of cesium, or how high an object with x weight, y density, and z elasticity moving at s speed would bounce after hitting the hardwood floor.
Science is one of the most important studies of mankind and requires brain usage above such core subjects as math and language. Science helps us understand the fundamental reasons for why things happen, what things are made of, and how things react to one another to name a few. It is because this area of knowledge is so neglected that Humanity as a whole is still superstitious. What are Science's arch-enemies? Ignorance, and its champions Religion and Superstition. When people don't understand something do they go look it up or find out through knowledge? No that'd be too hard. Instead it becomes a supernatural occurrence explained by Gods, Spirits, Devils, or some other figure of imagination. The Sun used to be a God until we figured out it was really a giant fusion reaction. The Earth used to (and still is by some Americans!) the center of the Universe! Then Nicolas Copernicus gave the world his greatest work De Revolutionibus, roughly the Earth is not the center of the universe and rather rotates on its axis and revolves around the Sun. Some people in America 9% to be exact still believe the Earth is the center of Universe, I can bet you they were never interested in learning scientific things.
It is with such pain and frustration I watch our "Educated" Leaders strike down such things as stem cell research, and human medical cloning, because it goes against their Religious beliefs. Science has forever been forced to work at a crawl due to those antiquated thinkings. Had the people been rightly educated and paid attention instead of dismissing things based on superstitious or religious beliefs we would be in a far better state of understanding and technology. I have never stopped learning new scientific things, I do daily.

Math is not used as much as they would like to believe in school. Like Frag said, unless you are some sort of Engineer, Architect or other math intensive field you will hardly ever do things beyond Geometry.

Language/English and Grammar is the same as what Frag said, but I have not stopped learning new words and usages, for the average person, what they have in schools now is probably all you need to know.

Reading is covered under Language, you have to learn to speak it as well as read, write and understand it. Hell you're reading right now. You'll read something every day, its almost impossible not to, especially if you are on the computer.

History can be helpful. The person who said "If you don't learn it you're doomed to repeat it" bit doesn't really apply to the history you learn in school for the general populace. Things like, Hey Don't invade Russia in winter, you'll lose! Who the hell is invading Russia? Or How a civil war battle was fought and what the outcome was, or How the Roman people acted on a daily basis....that stuff we don't really NEED, but it's just nice to know, goes back to that thing Frag said, makes someone look that much smarter. And it's kind of cool to know.....also if you're going to write a story or playwright about a past Era, you better have your shit authentic, or people will know.

Geography even though GPS will take the need of knowing where you are to getting to somewhere from here away. It would still be necessary to know some geographical things about the world and such. We wouldn't want to become a society of geographical ignorant people dependant on GPS and the internet to find where Africa was on a globe. It's already starting to become that way when on the news they had to show maps of where Afghanistan and Iraq were to people who didn't know.

Foreign Language is important. Shouldn’t be though, most he world knows English anyway, we should all just have one language so everyone could communicate easier. But in the world now it's important, and should be learned at a young age. Scientific studies have shown that children can learn an infinite number of languages until a certain age, and then it becomes harder for them. I learned French, and I should have learned Espanole.

Art is one of my other favorite subjects, being an artist myself. I am starving right now but that's because I haven't eaten anything since breakfast, and I don't know about the ego thing. Art is a good way for people to express themselves, and sometimes people don't realize they have artistic talent until they take it in school. Without people discovering they are good at it, we'd have less aesthetics in the world. It takes artistic creativity to design everything from Cars to can openers, Architects who design your houses and stuff like. A Fashion Artist designed your clothes, even if they came from Wal-Mart. For recommendations on what people should take of it? I'd say 1-2 credits in highschool, and optional in college.


Computers should be taught from early on like reading and speaking. Every aspect of our society is saturated with computers and you will get nowhere if you don't know them or refuse to learn them. Going into the actual function of how a computer works and how to change parts is not fundamentally needed, just the operation. I have plenty of friends who make good money off repairing it for people who don't know how to themselves, (plug for computer repairfriends of the day)

Law I thought would be boring, but after I took the mandatory Law class in my school I realized just how much I had gained from it. Copyright laws, Contracts, Deeds, Law procedures, liability, all very important. It not only helps you protect yourself from people trying to screw you or take advantage of you in things like contracts, but shows you how to use the law to your advantage when something comes up that needs its attention. I would suggest at least 1 class in Business Law
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Computers: This is a very essential part of modern life, whether or not people like it. I consider it a distinct disadvantage to have no knowledge about how computers work, in perhaps 95% of all cases. Even if a job involves no computer use, it still becomes a part of most peoples' day to day lives.


Foreign Languages: This was the main reason I posted. Having learned French for Seven years at school, entering my sixth year of learning German (four of those were at high school), and having just completed my first year of beginners' Italian at university, I must say that speaking other languages should be considered important.
Although the average citizen of the United States, and the average citizen of Great Britain can get away with speaking nothing other than English throughout their whole lives, I don't believe it is right to take on the somewhat arrogant stance, that most of the world knows English, so I don't need to learn any other language. There are more job opportunites through learning a second language than almost all people realise.
It is a cultural advantage also, because it helps one learn how countries who speak a certain language operate in their daily lives. This isn't an important reason, and I am aware that this point has already been mentioned, but I think it is a nice factor, largely because I can appreciate how certain countries work, and, if I'm particularly impressed with something I learn or experience about another country, I could try to incorporate it into my own lifestyle.
Most importantly, an English speaker will find that speaking another language will help improve their English grammar. Being taught French all through high school has ensured that I know simple things such as my past participles and preterite forms. Admittedly, I now cringe when people say I've did, I've came, I've went, I've saw, I done and other such ghastly errors, to the point where I cannot fully take them seriously, and believe me, that happens a lot in my home city of Glasgow. Learning German has helped me with other grammatical points, such as with whom instead of who... with, and not ending a sentence with a preposition.
Of course, for the sake of improving one's English, it is not necessary to learn a second language up to the very highest level, where one (in French and German, the equivallent use of 'one' is very common, and not at all considered posh) has to read over dozens of literary texts in order to become fluent in the language. However, it wouldn't do noone no harm to be teached some whole nother language for a few years, so they can understand how language works a little, like. Either that or take a linguistics class.
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[YourPowersAreWeakOldMan]

I beleive that yes you should learn a foreign language now, but Americans and British can afford to be arrogant about their language and speaking only it.

A historic report has been done on languages and why the countries of the world are all learning English. English has become the language of Science, for documenting and classifying. English is a hard language to master though having more words than any other language and growing every day, a more complex language is a better tool to convey messages....but most importantly, English has become the language of money. The Economy world economy rests heavily on the American Economy doing well because America imports and exports so much on a regular basis those who learn English profit greater than those who don't because they can speak to where the money is coming and going. Being the only Megapower of the world in Information Age has spread Engish everywhere.

I'm a firm beleiver in one language and one money. The world as a whole would benifit from having just one language, and one money to trade...no more currency exchange, no more translation, no more having to learn all that.....Yes we may learn those languages, but Latin is a dead language and you can still learn it if you want along with the other Dead languages. The World already rests on the USDollar and mostly speak or learn English so why not make them universal.

I know I know, what an arrogant stance! How Dare he! But hey, what other country can even compare to the US in Economic, Military, Technology, Medical, and Scientific advances and might, it is the best, and fattest, place to be.
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Well lets see... we have rules about posting about religious beliefs. Frag did not go there and the thread was progressing fine.
It does not matter what you believe, we just don't want it discussed here.

Please confine your posts to the topic and lets not go down that path.

Of course if you want to continue them in private, feel free.
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All i want to say is that Science is probably one of the MOST important subjects that you can take. High School Sciences is the doorway to College sciences, im going for 6 years taking science related classes so i can one day be able to help people, maybe even one of you, so never neglect the basis of our medicines and technology

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[YourPowersAreWeakOldMan]

Yes, That's what I agreed on Azrael about history, but we're talking about History taught in school. It's a generalized history of lots of things that unless you specifically look for more, the school is not going to teach you. Watching the History Channel along with learning it in school will teach you alot more....especially about WWII since they seem to play alot of that.

School taught history and useful history can be totally different things.
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