This is getting old

Simpleman · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 7:48 pm Post subject: This is getting old

The last few days all I have seen is all the regs on one team and when the teams are uneven and you say something they wait untill one of the not as skilled switch. It always seems the red team kicks everyones butt all the time because everyone always switches to the red team. There is no such thing as a close game anymore one team is always ellite to the other so whats the point be on the team that smears the other or be the one being smeared. It always has been fun playing because the play here was always pretty even. I just have seen alot of team stacking lately. It's like playing against a good clan because they play so much on the same team with the same guy's. It would be nice if we could even up the skill levels on the games sometimes whats the point if you can't have any fun. Take Avati for instance if there is a stacked team you will never cap all 4 flags.
Anyways thats my 2 cents.

Replica · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 8:05 pm Post subject:

it happens, i'm always an auto assigner but if the teams seem to be off #'s or skill wise i'll try to switch.. sometimes people don'tw ant to swtich. the other night on flagrun i had near 200 points total, not sure exactly because i went spec for someone to change, nobody did so i went back . i don't really think i stack the teams. i mean i'd liek to think that i make the difference in most games but chances are i don't.
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Bright Red Nipples · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 8:48 pm Post subject:

All it takes is a few good players on a team and it could be considered stacked. The games that are close are the funnest for me. When I see scores of 120 - 0 and everyone bitching when asked to even the teams I think it's pathetic. These servers used to have great games with new regulars coming in everyday. I was one of them. Now I see people come into game and leave after 15 minutes because they just got their arse kicked by our regs stacking the teams. This has been a problem for sometime now. This is the big reason of our servers seeing less and less newcomers. If we keep this up there won't be anybody left that will want to play here anymore. Just a thought.
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Pornstar · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 9:09 pm Post subject:

If I may add a suggestion. When you see a team lopsided, it may help to identify the team that has more players. in the heat of the game you may not know it is your team. I know I have been slow to swtich since I have to stop and figure out if I am on that team or not. By then somebody already switched. Most regs should be using the Auto Assign at first.

osiris · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 9:19 pm Post subject:

Team stackin is bish, maybe make teams automatic so it just puts u on a team when ya join, i kno thats why i dont play on the servers as much as i use to

SpeCies · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 9:22 pm Post subject:

Just curious, isn't there a program that will keep people from switching for tfc ? I mean, in Medal of Honor some servers use a program that when a player switches his/her team when the teams are even the program will kick the player back to the team that they started on. Once back to your original team a warning will then appear- Switch teams again within 3 minutes or so and you will be kicked ! It will too. The best part about this is that the game picks your team and not the players. Problem solved!

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John Doe · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 9:28 pm Post subject:

The Ville servers have auto team balancing turned on so your forced to a team and the computer tryes to keep them balanced.

If 3 peeps leave then the teams could still be 10-7 and severly lopsided. As new players connect they will fix that balance issue.

Peeps should not spectate as it takes a slot and can lead to imbalanced teams.

Where I see the most imbalances lately are when all the talent is obviously on one team. Of course if the teams have the same number of players then nobody can change to adjust the balance of talent. If an admin is there they can turn off balance or they can force players on to the other team. This is something that I will be doing in the future more to try to level the playing field.

JD
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OpTlk · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 9:32 pm Post subject:

I for one almost always use auto assign to join a game because it shouldn't matter who is on such n such team before you join...and I'm pretty sure what instigated simpleman to make this post had to do with a game of avanti this evening...about 5 minutes into the game I switched teams because they were uneven and we continued to get our arse handed to us. simpleman said "teams" at one point b/c it was 9vs6 and no one changed so then I said "COME ON EVEN THE TEAMS" and gurrg was nice enough to change b/c being on the dominating team obviously wasn't a priority to him. ty btw gurrg

as for the rest of the game well....

Replica · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 9:41 pm Post subject:

you'd think it woudl be that way with teams optik.. but sometimes i've seen people on the larger team say "teams" i mean really, why dind't they sjtu switch, nothign too recently but its happened
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My Personal Insanity · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 10:07 pm Post subject:

SpeCies · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 10:10 pm Post subject:

This is the command that will automatically place players on a team

If you want to have your server automatically place players into teams, you turn Auto Team on. Note that for the first 30 seconds of a game, players are allowed to join the team they want, to allow teams to reshuffle after each map. The Auto Team command is tfc_autoteam, and it simply needs to be set to 1 or 0.
For example, this turns on Auto Team:

tfc_autoteam 1

Then here is the command to keep them even

How do I set up Team Equalization?
TFC has subtle team equalization built in, which alters the strength of each team as the game progresses to make it slightly more even, and hence more fun. (It's great for public games, but probably not something you want for clan battles.) The way it works is this: every 10 seconds the game calculates a multiplier for each team, and then every piece of damage done by any player is multiplied by the damage multiplier of his/her team. The multiplier is calculated based upon two factors: the score of each team and the number of players on each team. If a team has a higher score and more players than their opposing team, its multiplier will be less than 1, so that all damage its team members are doing is reduced. The opposing team's multiplier would be greater than 1, so its team members are doing more damage. If the losing team starts to come back, the multipliers will reduce in strength.

You can toggle off the factors in the multiplier calculation, or turn them both off if you don't want team equalization at all. This isn't recommended, especially for public games. Team equalization is extremely subtle, and all it does is make the game slightly more fun for everyone in it.

The two commands you want to use are tfc_balance_teams, to equalize based upon number of players in each team, and tfc_balance_scores, to equalize based upon the scores of each team. Both settings can be on at once, which is recommended.

For example, this turns on equalization based upon scores and players:

tfc_balance_teams 1
tfc_balance_scores 1

Chen Kenichi · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 10:42 pm Post subject:

I really disagree with several statements made, so I want to throw in my 2 cents.

DJ George · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 11:04 pm Post subject:

This is getting to be a problem on all servers it seems. We deal with it in NS. But the more I step back and look at things, the clearer it becomes. Team stacking does happen, but not nearly as much as everyone says. What is really happeing is clear, and I too am guilty of this. People are crying about team stacking because they need and excuse as to why they lost! I have seen this in NS alot. One team loses, so they say the other team was stacked, then they play with nearly identical teams, (And the "stackers" do not change) and the other team wins, and is accused of stacking. For God's sake, this is a dman game, not a matter of life or death! What hapeened to good sportsmanship? Does it go out the window the min you lose? Is they only way we can justify our bad luck or even inferior team skills by accusing the other team of stacking or cheating? We are playing on what I have found to be the 6 best run servers out there! Why are we all in here whining about everything we do not like, we should be on the servers for our respective games having fun! We are all regular gammers here, and it should be common sense that if the other team is better, then learn from them to make your self better!
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Blown · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 11:07 pm Post subject:

Replica · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 11:17 pm Post subject:

i used to be happy if i went 1:30 ratio... wheni FIRST started. but if anyone kills me more than 1:4 i can get upset at how good the other team is..
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